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作者: bj88 時間: 2009-5-27 21:29 標題: who is buying long term stock?

who is buying long term stock?
and which one is it?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-28 09:23

sorry, I have a different style

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-5-28 22:45

Going into the stock market is like going into a candy store, once you are in, you can hardly pull yourself out.

I suggest you talk to someone qualify to discuss this. My other half convinced me to go back to the stock market as I have some money to invest in addition to my 3 months expenses worth of saving (emergency fund)

Philip

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-29 08:23

Going into the stock market is like going into a candy store, once you are in, you can hardly pull yourself out.

I suggest you talk to someone qualify to discuss this. My other half convinced me to g ...
pkphilip 發表於 2009/5/28 22:45

But to determine who is actually qualified, you need to know a whole lot yourself. By that time, you are probably qualified yourself.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-5-29 08:50

Doesn't hurt to have a few qualify people and see what they are selling you.

Philip

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-29 11:16

本帖最後由快樂牛郎於 2009-5-29 11:17 編輯

Doesn't hurt to have a few qualify people and see what they are selling you.

Philip
pkphilip 發表於 2009/5/29 08:50

If you lack self judgment, phony advice can be harmful for you.

Think those uneducated seniors who bought Lehman "bonds"

And when it comes to finance, your college degree matters little. A ph.D can be as financially illiterate as a kindergarden child.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-5-29 13:11

Think those uneducated seniors who bought Lehman "bonds"
快樂牛郎發表於 2009-5-29 12:16

educated or uneducated people got burned in that one...so doesn't matter..LOL

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-29 13:13

educated or uneducated people got burned in that one...so doesn't matter..LOL
shutterbug 發表於 2009/5/29 13:11

your meaning of education could be college education

but a truly well educated investor would limit his exposure so that unless the world comes to an end, any market meltdown would not cost more than 10% of his capital

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-5-30 12:44

anyone had the canadian one fund?

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-5-30 15:03

"""But to determine who is actually qualified, you need to know a whole lot yourself. By that time, you are probably qualified yourself."""
it is partly truth. other major factors are time & resources. how much time would you like to spend on monitor the markets & do your own research? the big co. have ton of people to do the research & analysis, do you have that much backup? so why not talk to some investors.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-30 15:24

"""But to determine who is actually qualified, you need to know a whole lot yourself. By that time, you are probably qualified yourself."""
it is partly truth. other major factors are time & resourc ...
tofu 發表於 2009/5/30 15:03

if you don't have time, don't invest.
otherwise, good luck getting burned

I grin everytime I see someone who doesn't know anything about stocks and loses money in the market

The fees you pay to "financial advisors" are for their time to entertain you, not their "expertise" on stockpicking or portfolio management.

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-5-30 17:01

as a normal person, unless you are a full-time trader, who will have time to do all these after working for a full-time job, taking care of a family & socializing with friends. if really no time, don't invest, i beleive 90% of the people need to get out of the market.
you should start a post and ask for good adviser recommendation , just like those one whose haven't find a good doctor, bodyshop or photographer yet. there are good/bad people out there, no matter where do they work.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-30 17:10

as a normal person, unless you are a full-time trader, who will have time to do all these after working for a full-time job, taking care of a family & socializing with friends. if really no time, don ...
tofu 發表於 2009/5/30 17:01

May I ask what kind of qualities would you look for in an advisor? What type of advisors would you recommend to others?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-30 17:11

as a normal person, unless you are a full-time trader, who will have time to do all these after working for a full-time job, taking care of a family & socializing with friends. if really no time, don ...
tofu 發表於 2009/5/30 17:01

And you don't need to spend a lot of time on monitoring the market.
An hour a week is enough.

作者: tripixel 時間: 2009-5-30 22:29

14# 快樂牛郎

would you mind sharing your experience of investing with us pls..
how do you spent your one hour a week on the market?

cheers

作者: kits013 時間: 2009-5-31 03:21

i spend one hour a day..
i watch fast money and MadMoney on CNBC
watch bloomberg news
check canadian to US currency (cause i buy US stocks)

i'm not a trader.. but if u know things ain't going well
u got to get out
so it's very important to take updating

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-5-31 11:12

14# 快樂牛郎

would you mind sharing your experience of investing with us pls..
how do you spent your one hour a week on the market?

cheers
tripixel 發表於 2009/5/30 22:29

I just spend that one hour on some weekly magazines

I spend the rest of my time polishing my investment strategies, not necessarily related to the general market. Pretty much things that you can learn anytime.

I don't read financial statements. I don't spend more than 3 mins before I invest in a stock.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-6-1 00:09

Everyone's strategy is different and heavily biased. Therefore I suggest to go see different advisors so that you can decide who works for you. There are many fantasy stock market games that you can sign up and try before you fork out your real money.

I trade with Questrade for those who like to know because I make less than 4 trades a week and the fee is only $10 a pop.

Honestly, I spend less than 1 hour a week trading because I have a "personal broker/agent" who will keep me updated to the second with what's going on. She is quite affordable.. hahaha... (she is most likely going to kill me if I say too much here). I spent about 1 hour on top to review all the reports that she gives me, so we can revise our strategy. Investing requires a lot of research.

Philip

作者: spl3nd1d 時間: 2009-10-17 19:56

11# 快樂牛郎

FA's are sales. Don't get fooled by their titles. You will find all the people with fancy titles at the banks. Think about it. If they can make good money in the market, why would they help you for so little fees or no fee?

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-10-19 11:25

They make a lot (100k+ a year) from trailers, commissions, perks from fund companies..

Philip

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2009-10-19 12:01

Can you define what is "long term"? Everyone's timeline may be different.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-19 12:55

Can you define what is "long term"? Everyone's timeline may be different.
blue20ae 發表於 2009-10-19 13:01

一般所謂長線指最少 10 年。

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-10-19 13:04

How about now, the Canadain Saving bond?
Is it OK?

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-19 13:15

本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-10-19 14:17 編輯

How about now, the Canadain Saving bond?
Is it OK?
sheep 發表於 2009-10-19 14:04

買加拿大債券﹐一係你好愛國﹐一係你只要那些穩陣過穩陣的﹐否則﹐有好多其他更好的選擇。。。

還有﹐利息同債券回報通常走相反方向 (我假設你明債券係怎樣運作)﹐而現在﹐利息升的機會比跌的大 (為何﹖第一﹐利息已經低到不能低﹐第二﹐經濟起飛利息就會升﹐而家經濟係向上微升中﹐看數據吧)﹐所以換句話來說﹐債券的價格很有機會會跌﹐那麼我們還應該買債券嗎﹖答案是 YES AND NO﹐如果你只想買些相對穩陣的投資﹐不太喜歡風險﹐而投資期係 3-5 年﹐你可以買債券﹐不過即使係買債券﹐也應該分散投資﹐例如買一些不同的私人公司溝埋政府﹐甚至不同國家﹐這樣才可以保障你的回報。

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-10-19 13:21

Thanks

買加拿大債券﹐一係你好愛國﹐一係你只要那些穩陣過穩陣的﹐否則﹐有好多其他更好的選擇。。。

還有﹐利息同債券回報通常走相反方向 (我假設你明債券係怎樣運作)﹐而現在﹐利息升的機會比跌的大 (為何﹖第一﹐利息 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-19 14:15

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-19 13:33

11# 快樂牛郎

FA's are sales. Don't get fooled by their titles. You will find all the people with fancy titles at the banks. Think about it. If they can make good money in the market, why would the ...
spl3nd1d 發表於 2009-10-17 20:56

I have to correct you, FAs "at the bank" are just sales, they don't have REAL QUALITIES to be a financial advisor (some of them just got promoted as the bank cannot find anyone better, I've seen a lot of those), but there are also REAL Financial Advisors out there, look for those Financial Planning companies, they offer overall services... a good FA should look at your overall goals in life, cash flow, insurance needs, retirement income needed, will & estate, everything should be taken into account, and they should be actively manage your money & your needs. Words of mouth is a good way to find good FAs but only listen to those people you trust, not anyone on the street.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-10-19 23:25

IA - Investment Advisors, I know a few good ones, I made some money off from the tips they gave off.

Philip

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-19 23:39

IA - Investment Advisors, I know a few good ones, I made some money off from the tips they gave off.

Philip
pkphilip 發表於 2009/10/19 23:25

Good ones don't necessarily give you the right tickers
Bad ones can make you a millionaire

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 00:05

28# 快樂牛郎

if that's true, why don't you go find a bad one if you want to be a millionnaire?

作者: kits013 時間: 2009-10-20 01:21

anybody can make $ from stock
but is ALL ABOUT HOMEWORK!

u can't just buy and hold !
10 years ago, Dow Jones at 10000.... Today.. ppl are celebrating their 0% return in 10 years

good investors have different style ...different approach to this game
but they all do hw
buy and hold is not my style.. i think it's important to keep ur investment flexible

yes there are good IA -> charge u $ like therez no tmr
mutual funds --> 70% of them perform worst than the market
LOOK at this chart b4 u plan long term

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 08:48

本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-10-20 09:55 編輯

anybody can make $ from stock
but is ALL ABOUT HOMEWORK!

u can't just buy and hold !
10 years ago, Dow Jones at 10000.... Today.. ppl are celebrating their 0% return in 10 years

good investors ...
kits013 發表於 2009-10-20 02:21

this is not a good example (because of the recent 2-3 years' situation), why don't you look at 20, 30, 40 years chart? Even 股神畢菲特都叫大家長渣某隻好股﹐當然所謂好股係要做好多研究所得出來的結論啦﹐同埋他所謂長渣係講緊 20-30甚至40年。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 08:54

好同意樓上 TOFU 所說的﹐就算你係成日看財經雜誌﹐或者自己讀埋 DEGREE﹐都唔代表有這樣的精力時間興趣去管理你的金錢﹐再講﹐你有這麼大的財力去分散投資嗎﹖ 足夠的分散投資講緊每只股都投資幾百萬以上﹐如果你自問沒有﹐就要交給專業人士管理囉。。。

我識很多人寫財經雜誌的﹐可以告訴你﹐很多料都不外如是﹐不值一晒﹐若果你依靠這些所謂貼士來投資﹐同賭錢沒有甚麼分別。。。即如有天我坐在麗晶吃飯﹐有個亞伯響處教另外兩個亞伯怎樣做 DAY TRADE日賺幾百 (會唔會這麼巧就係牛郎大哥黎呢﹖)﹐其實就算去 CASINO 你都一樣做得到﹐唔難架﹐問題只係﹐大跌市就會輸囉﹐而且﹐你必定要無正職先有這樣的時間和精力﹐還要有這種興趣。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-20 09:29

28# 快樂牛郎

if that's true, why don't you go find a bad one if you want to be a millionnaire?
Littleprince 發表於 2009/10/20 00:05

Do you understand basic logics?

I said, bad ones, by pure luck, can turn you into a millionaire.
Good ones, also by pure luck, can make you lose money.

What I didn't say is that you need to find bad ones who can make you money.

Investment savviness should not be mistakened for performance.
It's naive to think that you will get rich if you are skillful.
Someone with an IQ of 50 can outperform you just because he happened to buy stocks in 1993 and sold all of them in 1999.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 09:34

Do you understand basic logics?

I said, bad ones, by pure luck, can turn you into a millionaire.
Good ones, also by pure luck, can make you lose money.

What I didn't say is that you need to find b ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2009-10-20 10:29

I agreed... just like playing mahjong, sometimes a child can win -- IF it is purely luck...

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-20 09:37

There is so much ridiculous logical fallacy when it comes to investment philosophy, as you can see plenty in this thread. But I guess that's what makes the stock market balanced. You can't have 10 million people doing the same thing and still make money.

作者: kits013 時間: 2009-10-20 11:19

this is not a good example (because of the recent 2-3 years' situation), why don't you look at 20, 30, 40 years chart? Even 股神畢菲特都叫大家長渣某隻好股﹐當然所謂好股係要做好多研究所得出來的結論啦 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 09:48

go buy a book
called Buffett is not perfect
he's playing style changed so much
u better look at how he invested in the 70"s....
thats the time he made most $

buy and hold is stupid. end of the story

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-20 11:24

go buy a book
called Buffett is not perfect
he's playing style changed so much
u better look at how he invested in the 70"s....
thats the time he made most $

buy and hold is stupid. end of the ...
kits013 發表於 2009/10/20 11:19

Different styles work during different times.
It might still work for some sectors.

Just be flexible and keep an open mind

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-20 11:28

I have to disagree littleprince.

There are so many to learn for stock trading.
I agree "buy and hold is stupid" haha that's why i only day trade or month trade.
look at 20, 30., 40 years chart? come on. don't be unrealistic.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 11:30

本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-10-20 12:37 編輯

I have to disagree littleprince.

There are so many to learn for stock trading.
I agree "buy and hold is stupid" haha that's why i only day trade or month trade.
look at 20, 30., 40 years chart? co ...
haha72 發表於 2009-10-20 12:28

you sound like somebody, haha....

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 11:32

go buy a book
called Buffett is not perfect
he's playing style changed so much
u better look at how he invested in the 70"s....
thats the time he made most $

buy and hold is stupid. end of the ...
kits013 發表於 2009-10-20 12:19

There are so many diff books in the market and you don't necessarily listen to anyone, I agreed upstair said "to keep your mind opened". *PERIOD*

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 11:38

本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-10-20 12:41 編輯

38# haha72

come'on... who earned more $$$ in the market? the daytrader? or Warren Buffet? ok... Warrne Buffet sucks, then why so many people listen to him? why are they not listening to you?? why all his talk is full? there must be a reason, right?

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-20 12:08

do you really trade stock?
sorry

i didn't ask people to listen to me r. can u digest everyone's words sin?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-20 12:23

38# haha72

come'on... who earned more $$$ in the market? the daytrader? or Warren Buffet? ok... Warrne Buffet sucks, then why so many people listen to him? why are they not listening to you?? why ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009/10/20 11:38

again, the amount of $ you make should not be tied to a certain methodology.

but I do agree that day trade is probably not the most efficient method, since stock prices seem to follow a random walk within such a short period and the gain/loss distribution is approximately normal.

for periods significantly longer than inter-day, say 2 months vs 2 years, the behavior is very different.
you can read stuff about chaos theory to understand the completely different market dynamics

I don't like long term only because I think life is so short. But if I have 1000 years to live, I would love to hold my stocks for 40 years.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-20 12:26

making money has never been my goal to invest

I am really more interested in the philosophies of investing
and it's amusing to see how people can behave so illogical and irrational when it comes to the market

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-20 13:21

true. if i have 500 yrs to live, i will look at 20 yrs chart.

for me, i prefer day trade or month trade. my mom and bro taught me alot of trading stock too. i just start trading stock since february and i like it more so i can hve more spare time to enjoy life

i don't need to be buffet. my goal is just to gain better than my past full time. haaha.

it is hard to say about long term holding. there is recession almost every 10 yrs / 20 yrs and there are so many good stocks around for short term trading.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-20 13:40

i just start trading stock since februaryhaha72 發表於 2009/10/20 13:21

this tells the whole story

a monkey could make a million dollars if he were given 100K to start with in February

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-10-20 14:32

How do you make 10 times the return, when the market is up 50%?

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 15:28

How do you make 10 times the return, when the market is up 50%?
peter236 發表於 2009-10-20 15:32

你要先去了解咩係 MARKET﹐乜野叫做 MARKET﹐而個 INDEX 係點黎。。。如果你咩都唔識﹐好難慢慢解釋你聽﹐去 SFU/BCIT 讀返科 ECON 先喇﹐越識得多﹐越了解自己知得其實好少﹐只有自大狂先至會以為自己已經識晒架咋。

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-10-20 15:46

你要先去了解咩係 MARKET﹐乜野叫做 MARKET﹐而個 INDEX 係點黎。。。如果你咩都唔識﹐好難慢慢解釋你聽﹐去 SFU/BCIT 讀返科 ECON 先喇﹐越識得多﹐越了解自己知得其實好少﹐只有自大狂先至會以為自己已經識晒架 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 16:28

Actually, you can do it using things like call/put options or derivatives.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 16:48

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-20 18:48

你要先去了解咩係 MARKET﹐乜野叫做 MARKET﹐而個 INDEX 係點黎。。。如果你咩都唔識﹐好難慢慢解釋你聽﹐去 SFU/BCIT 讀返科 ECON 先喇﹐越識得多﹐越了解自己知得其實好少﹐只有自大狂先至會以為自己已經識晒架 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 16:28

sfu econ. can't really help. I graduated from sfu econ. in 2001. haha.
i do appreciate i learnt about the words *opportunity cost*

check the quotes CTIC & HEB >> check the chart form feb. i made more than 10 times money already

hope everyone hve good luck. there are still alot to read and research everyday. university books can't help you much for making money in reality. but, i can't deny they are the foundation.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 19:18

sfu econ. can't really help. I graduated from sfu econ. in 2001. haha.
i do appreciate i learnt about the words *opportunity cost*

check the quotes CTIC & HEB >> check the chart form feb. i made ...
haha72 發表於 2009-10-20 19:48

當然﹐好多教師話我知﹐有D人又唔上堂﹐又唔聽書﹐呢D唔怪得老師的啊

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-10-20 19:22

唔想太離題﹐不過發現有樣野好好笑﹐響呢邊讀書D人原來連普通英文都很差﹐這雖然係早就可以想象得到﹐但也幾出乎我意料之外。。。或許我的老師朋友說得很對﹐讀書不好學生要負很大的責任﹐這邊太自由﹐好多人比左錢騙家長話返學但又唔上堂﹐去左 WEE WET。。。

作者: kits013 時間: 2009-10-21 00:24

hey haha72 good job
i guess he's super pissed

rofl

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-21 00:45

haha.
i thought this thread's purpose is for sharing opinions on buying long term stocks. Let's make the talk friendlier. the existence of LYK is not for challenging others.

good nite everyone!

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-10-21 01:05

Let's keep the investment ideas coming here.

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-21 21:08

U guys can consider C. Morgan Stanley raised its target price to $7 by end of year.

作者: kits013 時間: 2009-10-22 19:25

i own Citi Ford CHU and WYNN
Citi's book value is $5.50.  it's not gonna to back to 30-40..  but at least $10-20
my favorite stock is WYNN  - it may be a good china play, china is driving the global economy back to recovery and macau is the only place in china yau casino

And Wynn has shxt load of $$$ wonderful balance sheet

China Unicom... iPHONE CHINA PLAY

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-10-22 21:43

Will Ford report a profit soon?

作者: hamlet 時間: 2009-10-22 22:20

Anybody into very blue chips, like TD bank, utilities?

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-23 09:12

I missed the Wynn boat. ><"

I am long for my biotech stocks (yes I have 90% of my portfolio in biotech). if you are interested, pls check CTIC and GETA. They have star drugs for cancer. CTIC will have very possible buyout in Nov. Target $25. But do you own DD.
If you invest biotech, first thing, check its drugs (devices do not worth alot, remember).

I also own FNM (Fannie Mae) and I will wait till 2010.

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-23 09:13

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of the investment community and news media will have the opportunity
to ask questions by phone following the presentations.

作者: kits013 時間: 2009-10-23 13:44

i sold Freddie Mac last month
i know it's gonna to come back since the housing market has bottomed in the US .. but it is just too risky for me and i already own Citi

thx for the advice
i'll go check out CTIC and GETA

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-10-23 21:16

They have star drugs for cancer. CTIC will have very possible buyout in Nov. Target $25.
haha72 發表於 2009/10/23 09:12

$25? A market valuation of 15B?
It's always nice to be optimistic

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-24 17:39

$25? A market valuation of 15B?
It's always nice to be optimistic
快樂牛郎發表於 2009-10-23 22:16

they don't only have one drug in their pipeline. drug market is not only in US. Possible buy out by Novartis in Nov.

作者: haha72 時間: 2009-10-24 17:40

i sold Freddie Mac last month
i know it's gonna to come back since the housing market has bottomed in the US .. but it is just too risky for me and i already own Citi

thx for the advice
i'll go ch ...
kits013 發表於 2009-10-23 14:44

U r lucky and I was lucky.

Anyone who held FNM n FRE from Aug and sold in Sept had made some lucky money.

I will sell some before the earning report will come out. There is always hype.

作者: yoursecret 時間: 2009-11-5 10:07

Is it a good time to buy gold? I know some countries are getting rid some of their US dollars. And what is the safe way to play gold?

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-11-5 13:59

More people buying Ford cars now.

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