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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-6-6 00:55     標題: To those who blame 64 students kill soilders, please read this paragraph...

將"六四" 定性為反革命暴亂，能不能站得住腳?學生一直是守秩序的，不少材料說明，在解放軍遭到圍攻時，許多反而是學生來保護解放軍，大量市民阻攔解防軍進城，究竟為了什麼?是要推翻共和國嗎? 當然，那麼多人的行動，總有極少數人混在人群裡面攻打解放軍，但那是一種混亂情況，北京市不小流氓，流" 鼠" ( I dunno how to type this word)犯乘機鬧事，那是完全可能的！難道能把這些行為說成是廣大市民，學生的行為嗎? 這個問題到現在應當很清楚了！

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作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2009-6-6 01:45

比64死得更慘既大有人在
64都叫做求仁得仁 起碼有個名
好多人死左都冇人知
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-6-6 01:58

What you said is true but小妹學識淺薄，不懂甚麼大道理，只能後天多讀點書，將勤補拙！

對，很多人死了也沒有名目！恕小妹膚淺，因為沒名目，小妹沒法有感而法！

六四能觸動我心，是因為那些是我的同胞！他們只是一群愛國的年輕人，試想著今天那些年輕人再香港集會記念已故六四民運人士，卻被冠上反政府罪名，甚至被殺害，我不知道你／大家有甚麼感想！在我而言，我會痛心這批年輕人！

我不能代表所有人，在我個人立場，悲痛的是我們祖國發生這樣的事，而這些事情卻是被有心者，為權力鬥爭，而迫上國際舞台，然後再屈這些學生，繼而鐵腕清場！

是的，我們祖國富起來！是的，很多人告訴我那時候不制止，禍害更深！既然我們富起來，是否該讓我們國民心靈也富起來！

對的，很多人勸我不要再浪費時間去做research了，這是每個大國必經之路！恕我婦人之仁，其他大國是其他大國，並非我母國！我能不關心，我能不求真，我能冷眼旁觀嗎?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-6 02:12

他們憑什麼叫妳不要再去research??
妳可以告訴他們，
這是中國人的劣根性，
以為財富能凌駕公義。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-6 02:19

What you said is true but小妹學識淺薄，不懂甚麼大道理，只能後天多讀點書，將勤補拙！

對，很多人死了也沒有名目！恕小妹膚淺，因為沒名目，小妹沒法有感而法！

六四能觸動我心，是因為那些是我的同胞！他們只 ...
Nam 發表於 2009-6-6 02:58


if u think the whole 6.4 is just simply a story about a group of brave student to fight against the absolute evil, then there is not much to discuss. I agree that we need to do more researches, but please just don't read the articles and comments and so-called 見證 from one side. You have to also listen to the other. Otherwise, you are no different to the dictatorial chinese government that only like to listen what they like to listen, see what they want to see and know what they want to know
作者: rockypath    時間: 2009-6-6 03:43

if u think the whole 6.4 is just simply a story about a group of brave student to fight against the absolute evil, then there is not much to discuss. I agree that we need to do more researches, but  ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-6 03:19


Same here. I do not want to be fooled by CCP, but I do not want to be fooled by other political groups with special interest either.
作者: soli    時間: 2009-6-6 06:28

我諗中共接受了趙紫陽既意見﹐  所以將六四既定位從暴亂﹐ 改為動亂﹐ 再改為六四政治風波~
滿意未?
但趙紫陽都講了﹐ 的確有不少暴民借機生事﹐  那麼出動軍隊鎮壓就順理成章了。
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-6 08:30

不成理由，
別將鎮壓合理化。
用坦克跟實彈，打仗麼？
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-6-6 09:58

I do not think this is simply a hero story and never believe it is. (I might believe that when this happened and I was in elementary. ) But that doesn't mean I will lose one bit respect to who died in this event.

I will cont'd to do my research and will not solely just take one side story.


I just want to know what happened during that time.
I do understand during that time, there are students who kill soldiers as well.
I just don't like the idea people using this to twist the whole event.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2009-6-6 15:42

I do not think this is simply a hero story and never believe it is. (I might believe that when this happened and I was in elementary. ) But that doesn't mean I will lose one bit respect to who died in ...
Nam 發表於 2009-6-6 10:58


From, the materials I read, I didn’t see there is any accuse or mention about students killing soldiers. In fact, these materials say students tried to protect the soldiers and asked people not to be provoked by the people with special purposes. But their voice was overwhelmed by the mob.

I think the title of 反革命暴亂 should point to the political groups which just used students as a tool to achieve their own political agenda.
作者: soli    時間: 2009-6-6 16:54

10# rockypath


鄧小平："我們對少數有野心和企圖顛覆中華人民共和國政府的人，比
如方勵之，就要進行必要的、程度不同的懲處。但對參加游行示威和
簽名的學生，包括北京的、外地的、海外的學生，我們還是應采取原
諒的態度，不追究他們的責任。"鄧小平接著說："控制局勢要注意方
法。當前，特別要抓緊立法，包括集會、結社、游行、示威、新聞、
出版等方面的法律和法規。違法的就要取締。我們不能允許隨便示威
游行，如果三百六十五天，天天游行，什么事也不要干了，改革開放
也進行不下去了。我們要讓國外明白，加強控制定為了穩定，是為了
更好地改革開放，進行現代化建設。"
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2009-6-6 18:04

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2009-6-6 18:24 編輯
What you said is true but小妹學識淺薄，不懂甚麼大道理，只能後天多讀點書，將勤補拙！

對，很多人死了也沒有名目！恕小妹膚淺，因為沒名目，小妹沒法有感而法！

六四能觸動我心，是因為那些是我的同胞！他們只 ...
Nam 發表於 2009-6-6 01:58

Just trust your gut feeling, nobody tells you what to do.  Listen to the writers and journalists that are reputable and non-biased.
The Chinese nationals has been " Educated" by the CCP for over 60 years, they were university students and teachers, not the average peasants and illiteracy , I do not  think they would easily influenced  and manipulated by "Foreign propagandas easily. Just who is trying to fool us?
The so called  " Anti-revolutionary Law" itself is a great joke, ask any Canadian or even Hong Kong citizen would agree with, even the communist.
All the  old CCP leaders  started out rebels, outlaws, fugitives. When they overthrew the KMT, they  called themselves "revolutionary , democratic and progressive heroes"
once they were in power, anyone other than CCP could be accused anti-revolutionary,  it is ironic. And don't forget, how many CCP leaders had became " Traitor, Spy, Capitalist's Agent, People's Common Enemy and Anti-Revolutionary? even Deng
Oh yeah, I do not have common sense.



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