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作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-25 23:27     標題: 今日去左睇Sharkwater

一向都知食魚翅係唔好，既殘忍又會破壞生態環境，今日睇完套 Sharkwater ，有埋畫面同旁白就更加對成件事了解，直頭愧為中國人。

Anyway，套戲06年拍，應該有好多人睇過，而家Cambie夾18街間戲院免費有得睇 http://www.sharkwater.com/rsvp.php

唔想郁既朋友，youtube都有得睇

未睇真係要睇睇佢，反思下人類對大自然既禍害。
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-25 23:28

[youtube]Vog3z1NsMYU[/youtube]
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-25 23:29

more info

http://www.savingsharks.com/
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-25 23:33

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-26 00:38 編輯

"直頭愧為中國人"??
I wish you know what you are talking about

if u have seen how do some of people in Canada hunt the 海"炮", 海賴, foxes or whatever
if u have seen how do some of people in Europe how to feed the goose for the popular goose livers
I think u would say only the vegetarian can have right to say about whoever eat whatever animals is immoral
作者: smt    時間: 2009-6-25 23:36

My prof asked us to watch it and write a paper on it (about evolution though).
I watched it... after that I completely stopped eating shark fins.
(Actually I never liked eating shark fins, 以前除了人家的喜宴才會吃少少)

那條所有鰭都被切去的鯊魚... 慢慢沉下海底的一幕... I can never forget it.

Anyway, thanks for sharing.
作者: tofu    時間: 2009-6-25 23:51

"""people in Canada hunt the 海"炮", 海賴, foxes or whatever... people in Europe how to feed the goose for the popular goose livers"""
+ japanese kills blue whale
i mean we should stop eating them before they disappear or don't make them in pain
but no need to say 直頭愧為中國人, because we are not the only.
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-26 00:27

"直頭愧為中國人"??
I wish you know what you are talking about

if u have seen how do some of people in Canada hunt the 海"炮", 海賴, foxes or whatever
if u have seen how do some of people in Europe ho ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-25 23:33


good logic，你放火，你隔離屋殺人，你隔離街強姦，咁你就唔洗覺得你有錯？

我好清楚我自己講乜，我曾經食過翅，我曾經覺得食翅係好high class，但係睇左套戲之後覺得中國人有咁既觀念係好錯，亦都覺得中國商人為左謀取暴利同時滿足中國人既虛榮心，殘殺生物同破壞環境我真係好慚愧。

請你睇下套戲，如果你仲可以 proud of 中國人食翅，咁我都奈你唔何。。。
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-26 00:44

仲有，慚愧係反醒同改過既開始，如果你連慚愧都無，咁你就緊本唔覺得有錯。

"I think u would say only the vegetarian can have right to say about whoever eat whatever animals is immoral"

Human are omnivores and our system are built to eat both meat & vege, but that doesn't mean we can eat whatever we like and as much as we can because we need to keep the ecosystem in balance. Plus, the way they harvest the shark fins is way too cruel, cut the fins out and drop the body back to the ocean and let it die.....diu, that is too much for any life to suffer that. Anyway, human are over populated and if we continue to consume resources like this, the earth 遲早玩完。
作者: smt    時間: 2009-6-26 00:52

本帖最後由 smt 於 2009-6-26 01:53 編輯

不必說是甚麼動物﹐或是甚麼國家的人﹐
撇開海豹海賴狐狸鯨魚不談﹐養牛養豬甚至種菜的某些方法也需要改善...
人類做的很多很多事也是破壞環境的...

的確﹐大部份人都沒有資格說甚麼才是 moral﹑immoral。

不過﹐只要這部電影﹑這個 thread 能夠引起一點點的回響﹑一點點的改變... 即使是一小步也都好啦...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-6-26 01:23

good logic，你放火，你隔離屋殺人，你隔離街強姦，咁你就唔洗覺得你有錯？

我好清楚我自己講乜，我曾經食過翅，我曾經覺得食翅係好high class，但係睇左套戲之後覺得中國人有咁既觀念係好錯，亦都覺得中國商人為左謀取暴利同時滿足中國人既虛榮心，殘殺生物同破壞環境我真係好慚愧。

請你睇下套戲，如果你仲可以 proud of 中國人食翅，咁我都奈你唔何。。。
siumaibb 發表於 2009-6-26 16:27

咁我都係中國人, 但一d 都唔覺得食翅係好high class, 唔係所有中國人都有咁既觀念架~
proud of 中國人食翅?... 呢點更神奇... 食翅又有乜好proud of 呀...

不過, 小弟一向對飲食冇要求, 最緊要係有野比我食, 食得我飽就得喇! 至於食唔食翅, 去飲既時候, 我都會食, 反正都已經整左, 我唔想太浪費. 當然, 主人家唔要魚翅就最好啦.
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-26 02:26

mjj， 你去飲茶會唔會無啦啦食翅？點解擺酒先要食翅？點解舊時d人炒贏股票要魚翅撈飯？咪就係要顯得高貴d，有面d囉。你結婚擺酒有無翅呢？咁你覺得食翅為乜呢？

至於proud唔proud of，我諗你唔明我句說話既意思，不過唔明算，我唔係同你講。
作者: Toppy.hk    時間: 2009-6-26 02:32

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作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 03:15

good logic，你放火，你隔離屋殺人，你隔離街強姦，咁你就唔洗覺得你有錯？

我好清楚我自己講乜，我曾經食過翅，我曾經覺得食翅係好high class，但係睇左套戲之後覺得中國人有咁既觀念係好錯，亦都覺得中國商人為 ...
siumaibb 發表於 2009-6-26 01:27


無人話proud of 食 shark-fin 既
但講真﹐要o甘神聖﹐o甘保護環境既﹐就唔好食meat啦﹐呀唔係﹐應該話唔好食野添呀﹐辟穀罷啦。
你估食豬,beef﹐ 羊無事呀?
你知唔知要養個的豬,beef﹐ 羊要用幾多糧食呀?
知唔知一頭bull 會放幾多甲烷呀﹐食beef既人會放幾多有甲烷既屁呀?
o甘食菜呢?
知唔知有幾多農藥 / 殺蟲水排左出河 / 海呀?

o甘都話愧為中國人﹐唉
我相信好多加拿大人都覺得海豹﹐海賴係唔o岩﹐但我無聽過有加拿大人話愧為加拿大人o羅

同的shark講人道? 唔通有人跌左落海﹐o的shark會識得將你安樂死先用刀叉食人呀?
要人道就一的meat都唔好食啦
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-26 03:30

14# chunsh


但係大部份中國人唔會認為食魚翅係唔道德，
我地唔食魚翅唔會死，
你成日都咁極端，我真係唔多想理你。
人地用一杯水救一車薪既火，係救唔熄的火，但係你咪立論水係救唔到火，，
仲要話救黎都嘥氣至得嫁!

力少不為恥，恥在無心，終日苟且!
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 03:53

14# chunsh


但係大部份中國人唔會認為食魚翅係唔道德，
我地唔食魚翅唔會死，
你成日都咁極端，我真係唔多想理你。
人地用一杯水救一車薪既火，係救唔熄的火，但係你咪立論水係救唔到火，，
仲要話救黎都嘥氣至 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-26 04:30


oh, so u will die without eating beef, lamb or prok?
some European like to eat goose liver even they know how to make those livers fat and juicy.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-26 04:19

你係咁舉例做乜？？
係咪人地衰我地就可以衰？？？
係咪隔黎屋敎人，自己都係犯毒唔係好差啫？？
點解要同衰既比？
係，你唔食肉唔會死，我亦都唔會偉大到戒食肉，
我地唯一可以做就係減少破壞。
唔好講「嘥氣啦，幫唔到幾多。」
呢一句只係自己俾自己逃避責任既藉口，
令你自己好過d。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 04:31

你係咁舉例做乜？？
係咪人地衰我地就可以衰？？？
係咪隔黎屋敎人，自己都係犯毒唔係好差啫？？
點解要同衰既比？
係，你唔食肉唔會死，我亦都唔會偉大到戒食肉，
我地唯一可以做就係減少破壞。
唔好講「嘥氣啦，幫 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-26 05:19


I ain't care much about eating shark-fin or whatever
but I would say it is a shame for a chinese to say "shame to be chinese" that easily (while people in other countries also done something cruel to the animal and I didnt hear anyone of them to say they are shameful to be whoever they are)

I would feel guilty to eat some animal that wont hurt me even when I standing in front of it (and I still eating them everyday); how would I feel guilty to eat some thing that would eat me with my bone left if I am facing it in the water
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-26 04:36

能力越大，責任越大。
身為人類，我地係欠左全世界所物種。
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2009-6-26 04:47

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2009-6-26 05:03 編輯
能力越大，責任越大。
身為人類，我地係欠左全世界所物種。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-26 04:36

I'm no vegetarian or vegan, but I've given up eating sharks fin, foie gras
and endanger species for 20 years. I do not preach, I just doing  my part.
作者: Toppy.hk    時間: 2009-6-26 05:05

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作者: news    時間: 2009-6-26 05:47

i think chunsh is trying to say tht dont just single out saying chinese is bad coz weeat shark fins...there are other things going on just as bad and we should be more aware of it
作者: alee    時間: 2009-6-26 06:09

I recommend watching Food Inc to get some point of views of our food consumption. It should come to Vancouver on July 10.
Starving ourselves or destroying every living organism in sight are extreme actions. Finding middle ground is what most people do.
Each of us has a choice as to what we want to do. There is no right or wrong answer to survival with the different beliefs out there encouraged by liberty. If you want, instead of following what most of the society does for its typical style of living, take some time to think about why we do what we do.
Environment shapes us to into who we are as a group, but there are individual differences from the different paths we take.
作者: khaki    時間: 2009-6-26 08:35

chunsh, be calm. If you have watched the film you will know the it's not about morality. But I respect what you say as you may haven't watched it yet.

Although i stopped eating shark fin for a long time.... (yes I refuse politely even in wedding banquets) I didn't feel ashame until I watched the film. siumaibb, I can totally feel why you say 直頭愧為中國人. Ignore what others say, just do your part. Ashame or not, it's a feeling. No one here or else where can judge right or wrong. Also agree on what alee said, finding middle ground.
作者: benyaoguai    時間: 2009-6-26 10:00

i think all human are savages XD.. we just claim that we're civilized.....
i feel bad and can't really eat if i watch something from alive to dead~ like crabs and fish..
but i don't think about it when i see it on the table already served~
either way~ that plate of food experienced death...
it's just that i am coward and not think about it when i don't see it
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 10:37

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-26 11:38 編輯
i think all human are savages XD.. we just claim that we're civilized.....
i feel bad and can't really eat if i watch something from alive to dead~ like crabs and fish..
but i don't think about it whe ...
benyaoguai 發表於 2009-6-26 11:00


exactly!!!
why bother??
if someone think just taking the shark fin and leave the sharks are too cruel, someone should speak out loud we should consume the whole shark. Like making fishballs with the meat, making chinese soup with the shark bones.........

about endanger species problem, if they are really in the problem of extinction, someone in the near future will suggest and develop ways to keep them just like other livestocks.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 10:40

i think chunsh is trying to say tht dont just single out saying chinese is bad coz weeat shark fins..
news 發表於 2009-6-26 06:47


u got my point
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-26 10:42

chunsh, 你可唔可以睇左套戲先，最好再睇埋 Food Inc。
你無同情心我唔怪你，但係人類濫殺動物然後再浪費最終受害既都係自己。

如果我話愧為中國人踩親你條尾，Sorry，咁唔包括你啦，OK，但係我真心有咁既感覺，魚翅係無味，營養價值亦唔高，食佢係純為虛榮心。

anyways, 你有時間睇左套戲先，如果你睇完都仲覺得食魚翅係ok既，我諗我地都無討論既餘地。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 10:53

chunsh, 你可唔可以睇左套戲先，最好再睇埋 Food Inc。
你無同情心我唔怪你，但係人類濫殺動物然後再浪費最終受害既都係自己。

如果我話愧為中國人踩親你條尾，Sorry，咁唔包括你啦，OK，但係我真心有咁既感覺，魚 ...
siumaibb 發表於 2009-6-26 11:42


u eat pork, beef and lamb, right?
do u like to see how do a bunch of sheeps being slaughter?
did u ever eat baby pigeons (not only chinese eat them, from a TV show, a high class restaurant in europe also has a famous dish made with baby pigeons), baby pigs. You know what? they are just simply cute when they are alive! Do u like to watch how does a baby pigeon / pig being picked away from their moms and being roasted?

someone is right, we are human, and we are savage.  Stop eating shark-fin will not make u any superior nor save the earth from 溫室 effect.  But u know what? stop eating beef can make a bigger diff (I am still eating them often, and I think many other human races do too. So strange that no人道主義者 come out and yell about this).

why screw myself if I still want to have them on my dining table?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-26 11:04

I believe Chinese is the biggest consumer who eat shark's fin as part of their culture. I don't think it's a problem for a Chinese to feel shame for that even he/she might doesn't eat shark's fin at all. Other people do wrongful things and don't feel shame, doesn't mean we cannot feel shame. Not feeling shame doesn't make the matter from wrong to right.

Before I watched this movie, I've been trying to avoid eating shark's fin in these recent years already. After watching it, I have a much stronger will to stop eating it, no matter in what kind of situations, even in my friends' wedding banquets. Honestly, why shark's fin soup would be a must for Chinese wedding banquet? All because of it's symbolic to rich? Then new couples can simply give out $500 red pocket to each guest as favor, that's true 有氣派.  

Of course my personal feeling and act won't affect other shark's fin eaters, and actually everyone can has their own choice and preference that I have totally no right to interfere.
作者: khaki    時間: 2009-6-26 12:34

本帖最後由 khaki 於 2009-6-26 13:40 編輯

again chunsh, the film is not only talking about 人道 or not, it's also the ecosystem. Eating the whole shark doesn't help.

I think Rob Stewart is a very respectable person. I can tell he has a big passion for sharks, but in order to spread the message he gotta face all the scenes that the sharks were killed brutally.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 13:14

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-26 14:16 編輯
again chunsh, the film is not only talking about 人道 or not, it's also the ecosystem. Eating the whole shark doesn't help.

I think Rob Stewart is a very respectable person. I can tell he has a big  ...
khaki 發表於 2009-6-26 13:34


I know, and I do agree that just cutting off the shark fin and let it sink and die is cruel.
But I dont think it is that serious that to be shameful of being chinese

did u read my comment about eating/keeping bulls/cows is also harmful to the ecosystem? should we say we are shameful to be human if we eat cow? Any USA people said anything about being shameful to be american just becos they eat too much burger or AAA steaks?

side track, I heard that austrian start using kangaroo meat to replace beef just because of the reason I mentioned

and did that guy always trying to get close to shark? if so, good luck to him and wish the sharks wouldnt thank him with their teeth and stomaches
作者: khaki    時間: 2009-6-26 14:21

I know, and I do agree that just cutting off the shark fin and let it sink and die is cruel.
But I dont think it is that serious that to be shameful of being chinese

and did that guy always trying to get close to shark? if so, good luck to him and wish the sharks wouldnt thank him with their teeth and stomaches
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-26 14:14


Watching the film can give you the answer, worth to watch it because it's free =)
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-26 14:54

chunsh, i like the way you ignore people's reply.

We are omnivores and it is alright to eat meat & veggie. But the way we eat now is wrong, and people are aware of it, they are shame for it and that's one of the reasons people are trying to correct it.

Around 40 millions sharks got kill for their fins each year, some shark species have dropped as much as 80% over the last 50 years. They are at the top of the ocean food chain and they control the population of the species down the chain, if the population of sharks screwed up, the ocean will be screwed up too. Now tell me why killing sharks is not an important issue!

Let's talk about shame, you said you know cutting shark fin is cruel and wrong and you know you kind of people keep doing it, why can't you be shameful? When you do something wrong and you know it, you'll be shameful. I bet there must be people out there being shame of how their people treat the livestock out there, that's why they made films like 'Food Inc'. There is nothing wrong with shame or feeling guilty, that's the first step to correct the mistakes you have done.

again, please watch the movie before you made another comment on this post coz the Rob Stewart guy actually made friends with the sharks....in fact, human is not part of the sharks' diet and the average number of fatalities worldwide per year between 2001 and 2006 from unprovoked shark attacks is 4.3, and there are 43,313 died in US because of car accident in 2008.
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2009-6-26 14:57

The only way to reduce emissions is to end your life now.
作者: benyaoguai    時間: 2009-6-26 19:36

exactly!!!
why bother??
if someone think just taking the shark fin and leave the sharks are too cruel, someone should speak out loud we should consume the whole shark. Like making fishballs with the ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-26 10:37 AM


*nod nod

Mogolians~~ when they kill a cow~ they use EVERY SINGLE part of the cow~ to make eat~ make clothes~ make tools~ that's their respect to killing the animal~
i think if you're goning to kil them~ least don't waste them~
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-6-26 19:45

The Japanese are still hunting whales for whale sashimi.
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-6-26 19:46

*nod nod

Mogolians~~ when they kill a cow~ they use EVERY SINGLE part of the cow~ to make eat~ make clothes~ make tools~ that's their respect to killing the animal~
i think if you're goning to kil  ...
benyaoguai 發表於 2009-6-26 20:36

Who cares how the Mongolians eat?
Do the western people eat chicken feet? Of course they don't, what a waste?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-26 19:59

*nod nod

Mogolians~~ when they kill a cow~ they use EVERY SINGLE part of the cow~ to make eat~ make clothes~ make tools~ that's their respect to killing the animal~
i think if you're goning to kil  ...
benyaoguai 發表於 2009-6-26 20:36


I agree with this part
so I mentioned about someone should design a way to consume the whole shark instead of just cutting off their fins
作者: salad_bread    時間: 2009-6-26 20:16

shame to be Chinese 咁你咪去做鬼佬囉
agreed with 快樂牛郎， 人類只係地球既超級寄生蟲
你一日唔死，就仲係污染&破壞緊地球
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-26 22:33

SIGH....
知恥近乎勇。
無恥難言勇。
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-27 01:00

Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 01:07

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-27 02:09 編輯
Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein
siumaibb 發表於 2009-6-27 02:00

do u mind who are u referring to be a pig?
or u are just trying to mumble some bull-s-h-i-t?

as salad_bread said, go to be a 鬼佬 if u are so ashamed to be a chinese
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-27 01:13

So, when a Caucasian says he/she is ashamed to be a Caucasian because many Caucasians slaughter seals in a brutal way, we should ask him/her to be a Chinese?
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 01:14

im ashame to be a human being cuz everyday im eating other animals or species (including vegetable they are lifes too, right?) im also wasting water sourses producing wastes ...
so what are my choices?
kill myself? find some aliens n transform me into one of them?
練仙成佛??
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 01:24

講真，如果hunt any animals in the wild for foods i dont think its 殘忍 at all
its just the nature ...
the more 殘忍 is when u breed the animals to feed yourself
試想下如果有"野"養大你十年八載最後係為左果自己的腹
呢十幾年對你來講係唔係好殘忍先?
再講，就算切左條鯊魚Ｄ冀再丟返落海又點?
自然有其他種類會食哂佢架啦，一樣係生態循環.
just dont being stupid n influence by a so called 紀錄片
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 01:27

So, when a Caucasian says he/she is ashamed to be a Caucasian because many Caucasians slaughter seals in a brutal way, we should ask him/her to be a Chinese?
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-27 02:13


they would say, killing those animal in the cruel way is not right, but I never heard any of the Caucasian said they felt ashamed about some other Caucasian killing seals in the cruel way.

I like shark-fin soup, not because that give me the feeling of being rich. but the restaurants just made it taste good.  And anyways, it is my personal choice. I know I will feel bad after watching the video. Why should I go to watch it if I like the food?
其實有句說話好岩﹐千祈唔好睇/知道關於你中意食既野既宰殺以至烹調過程﹐otherwise,
u just make fun of yourself. 好多人都中意食BBQ baby pigeons﹐ 你會唔會走
去睇下的baby pigeon點樣由佢地好可愛好cute既時候點樣俾人由佢地既媽媽度拿去燒呀


I agree that just cutting off the fins and then let the sharks sink and die is not right though. did I make my point clear? or simply someone who just ignore what I said but saying I ignore what they said?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 01:28

講真，如果hunt any animals in the wild for foods i dont think its 殘忍 at all
its just the nature ...
the more 殘忍 is when u breed the animals to feed yourself
試想下如果有"野"養大你十年八載最後係為 ...
邊少 發表於 2009-6-27 02:24

wow good point
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 01:34

wow good point
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-27 02:28


tks
actually i dont think in the wild after a lion hunted down hmmm lets say a dear
it will eat it all n leave no meat.
so do u say the lion is 殘忍 n wasting food????
the left over meats n bones are still foods for others like 野狗/昆蟲/細菌
so dont be silly n think the shark who got cut all its fins are useless n waste
small fishes can eat it n small fishes will turn into big fishes
then YOU have fishes to eat and same as the other sharks
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-27 01:35

為了生存，食，無可口非。
問題係，We close the loop. We end the cycle.
The way we consume is very irresponsible.
唔係叫你乜都唔好食，
但係唔該食得有責任d，
好怕d人無限上綱，
由鯊魚推到豬牛羊。
唔俾食魚翅冇損失，
唔俾食鮑魚都冇損失。。。
呢兩樣既根本冇味，又唔係高營養，
但係佢地的確就快消失，
但係中國人就會諗，「有得食好快d食，冇晒就冇得食」，
而唔會諗點保護佢地。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 01:40

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-27 02:43 編輯
為了生存，食，無可口非。
問題係，We close the loop. We end the cycle.
The way we consume is very irresponsible.
唔係叫你乜都唔好食，
但係唔該食得有責任d，
好怕d人無限上綱，
由鯊魚推到豬牛羊。
唔俾食魚 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-27 02:35


講真 鹹魚青菜﹐各有所愛﹐其他人中意食魚翅﹐關你差事o羊?

喂﹐ 家陣唔係我地o的食野既人走去亂o甘殺的shark wor
的漁民殺得唔岩就唔俾人食? 你無野呀?
要bug就去bug的漁民啦﹐ 地球保衛者
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 01:40

"We end the cycle"????
whats the cycle?? the cycle of the nature is 有開始就一定有終結
點解恐龍會extincted? 就算我地唔食鯊魚佢地遲早一日都會消失its just the nature
same as our race, human beings. we will disappear one day
and also our mother earth
the universe
the world
everything
why worry so much? its just stupid ... life is just a dream
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 01:45

或者我地應該開始飼養鯊魚
咁多Ｄ鯊魚就多Ｄ魚翅食
好似養牛養雞養豬咁
咁就唔係殘忍啦
咁就可以繼續食魚翅啦
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 01:50

或者我地應該開始飼養鯊魚
咁多Ｄ鯊魚就多Ｄ魚翅食
好似養牛養雞養豬咁
咁就唔係殘忍啦
咁就可以繼續食魚翅啦
邊少 發表於 2009-6-27 02:45


I have already mentioned this point, but people keep ignoring
and to those who are earth-lover-wanna-be, why don't u guys go mailing to those countries who have their fishermen hunting the shark and mention your concern and solution?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-27 01:55

I have already mentioned this point, but people keep ignoring
and to those who are earth-lover-wanna-be, why don't u guys go mailing to those countries who have their fishermen hunting the shark and ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-27 02:50

sure,
咁你地就可以當冇事發生過，
繼續stay in your comfort zone。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 01:56

sure,
咁你地就可以當冇事發生過，
繼續stay in your comfort zone。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-27 02:55

of course I will
作者: B仔    時間: 2009-6-27 02:00

ERHM。。。
我周不時要簽一D紙，係比加拿大人運魚翅去中國發售。
咁，我係咪應該感到最羞恥果個，因為我身為華裔CANADIAN，批准加拿大人商業繁殖魚翅嚟食，仲要運去供應比中國呢？要拿我去BANG，定係我要遲咗我份公嚟以身作則？！
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 02:01

我都祝你地可以有日自給自足不再他求唔駛食野
同埋你地應該睇多Ｄ書
一個種族如果extincted呢個係自然淘汰
就算係比另一個種類滅族
都係一個自然定律: 汰弱留強
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-27 02:15

"We end the cycle"????
whats the cycle?? the cycle of the nature is 有開始就一定有終結
點解恐龍會extincted? 就算我地唔食鯊魚佢地遲早一日都會消失its just the nature
same as our race, human beings. we w ...
邊少 發表於 2009-6-27 02:40

你睇多d書先，
人類制做既破壞係不能還原。

仲有養鯊魚既成本效益根本蝕死，
只有魚翅賣到，鯊魚骨？？？
鯊魚根本冇骨.....
只有中國人先食魚翅。
作者: 邊少    時間: 2009-6-27 02:18

你有冇行遠Ｄ睇下個大道理?
the cycle of the nature is 有開始就一定有終結
一個種族如果extincted呢個係自然淘汰
就算係比另一個種類滅族都係自然淘汰
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-6-27 02:21

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-6-27 03:22 編輯
你睇多d書先，
人類制做既破壞係不能還原。

仲有養鯊魚既成本效益根本蝕死，
只有魚翅賣到，鯊魚骨？？？
鯊魚根本冇骨.....
只有中國人先食魚翅。 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-27 03:15

wow you moron, the Japanese are hunting the whales for whale sashimi, but claim that they use it for scientific research, why don't you ask them to stop doing it?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 02:25

wow you moron, the Japanese are hunting the whales for whale sashimi, but claim that they use it for scientific research, why don't you ask them to stop doing it?
peter236 發表於 2009-6-27 03:21


簡單﹐中國人獨有既民族自卑心
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-27 02:25

呢家只係話俾你地聽有d咁既事發生，
你地可以贊成，可以反對，
但係事實係鯊魚就快絕種，唔係因為佢地揾唔到食，係我地不合理地過量獵殺。
地球得一個，個個人都有責任要做地球保衛者。

請停止食用魚翅。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 02:29

請停止食用魚翅。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-27 03:25


instead, what about keeping shark like livestocks
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-27 02:31

People doing bad things and don't feel ashamed is the bigger problem. How come people who feel ashamed become something stupid to laugh at?! What kind of world?!

Again and again, just eating animals doesn't count as brutal, it's the way to slaughter does. Shark's finning has three issues: 1. unnecessary brutal slaughtering, 2. breaking the food chain (unless people raise sharks manually up to a certain quantity), and 3. high volume of shark's finning in Costa Rica involved serious corruption (If nothing is wrong, why corruption should be involved? And thus people keep consuming high volume of shark's fin imply that they support those kind of corruption indirectly.)

B-jai: You are just doing your job legally. A job is almost a must for most people, but eating shark's fin is not.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-27 02:33

peter仔，your mighty Yao Ming is on my side this time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/general/news/story?id=2537709
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-27 02:36

仲有，peter仔，日本whale hunt 係有quota,有辦法控制。
shark finning係冇quota。
用下腦。
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-27 03:09

ok, my last post, I said 愧為中國人 does not mean I was trying to insult Chinese and I don't hate Chinese. When Chinese did something good I will feel proud, when Chinese did something wrong, I will feel shame. I am just expressing my feeling not starting any flame.

Eating shark is a bigger problem than you think, PLEASE watch the movie before you leave another message, otherwise, this post is not for you.

thanks.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-27 10:34

When a Chinese did something bad, another Chinese feel ashamed.
Some other Chinese say: "Why do you need to feel ashamed?"

When a Chinese did something bad, a Caucasian feels ashamed.
Some other Chinese say: "Why is it your business?"

When a Chinese did something good, another Chinese feel proud.
Some other Chinese say: "Why do you need to feel proud?"

When a Chinese did something good, a Caucasian feels proud.
Some other Chinese say: "It's none of your business!"
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-27 10:50

When a Chinese did something bad, another Chinese feel ashamed.
Some other Chinese say: "Why do you need to feel ashamed?"

When a Chinese did something bad, a Caucasian feels ashamed.
Some other Chin ...
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-27 11:34

disagree
first of all, its not the eater's responsbility of restricting how the sharks should be keep and should be killed. Instead, it should be the government of the fishermen who hunt the shark. Just like in Canada, without the law enforcement about what size of fish/crab or whatever seafood should be caught for leisure fishing, I think the crab and salmon already in endanger species in canada (even without chinese). We take what we can take, its human nature. Should we be ashamed to be human?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-27 20:39

You don't get the points.
How if people only cut off crab's claws and then drop them into the water after?
How if people only cut off salmon's belly and then drop them back into the water after?

Another point, if people fish whole sharks to consume, sharks might not be endangered like that cuz it takes a lot longer time or a much longer time to eat up the whole thing. But when people only want their fins, which is a lot less portion and thus the demand is comparatively too high for them to give birth in time.
作者: tofu    時間: 2009-6-27 22:02

"""it should be the government of the fishermen who hunt the shark""" x2
不合理地過量獵殺就快絕種 - 野生blue fin tuna, 花期參, 人參, 冬蟲夏草 &...., there are lot of stuffs that we grown for food, but it doesn't mean we stop taking the wild one.  
who give japanese the quota to kill blue whale, which is japanese ma.  
i will stop eating shark fin, because i don't like the killing process, same reason as stop eating foie gras.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-27 23:14

Yeah, I also stopped eating foie gras for long.
Compare to foie gras, besides shark's finning is considered as brutal slaughtering, it's also endangering a wild life, plus dirty corruption behind.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-28 00:06

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-28 01:36 編輯
You don't get the points.
How if people only cut off crab's claws and then drop them into the water after?
How if people only cut off salmon's belly and then drop them back into the water after?

Ano ...
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-27 21:39


I believe in everyone here, eat shark-fin or not, wear fur or not, taking bus or driving cars without turning off the engine while stopping, etc; must have their own living habits, some habits are environmental friendly, some don't. While u guys being a saint and blaming the others about not protecting earth or something, no one can deny something they done are good for our mother earth. Also, the one that is responsible are the fishermen who kill the sharks improperly and the government who hasn't create and enforce the laws about how and how many the sharks should be killed.

so getting the point or not, doesn't matter
eating this and that, is just personal choice.
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-6-28 00:43

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-6-28 01:47 編輯
呢家只係話俾你地聽有d咁既事發生，
你地可以贊成，可以反對，
但係事實係鯊魚就快絕種，唔係因為佢地揾唔到食，係我地不合理地過量獵殺。
地球得一個，個個人都有責任要做地球保衛者。

請停止食用魚翅。 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-27 03:25

wow you moron, whales are going extinct sooner. Why don't you ask the Japanese to stop hunting, instead of finding excuses for them?
Also, blue fin tuna is going extinct. Why don't you ask the Japanese to stop eating toro sashimi?
Europeans are eating caviar, why don't you complain?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-28 09:28

you moron,佢地已經有限制，要做既可以隨時收緊，
shark finning仲係冇法例限制，
that's the problem。
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-28 09:53

I believe in everyone here, eat shark-fin or not, wear fur or not, taking bus or driving cars without turning off the engine while stopping, etc; must have their own living habits, some habits are e ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-28 00:06

I never and won't say people should save electricity and use candles, should walk but not driving nor take any public transits at all.... that kind of things etc.
Did you overlook or what, shark's finning involved SERIOUS CORRUPTION?! Once corruption is involved, no matter what rules government might establish, do you think they are enforceable??
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-28 10:46

I never and won't say people should save electricity and use candles, should walk but not driving nor take any public transits at all.... that kind of things etc.
Did you overlook or what, shark's fi ...
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-28 10:53


in your case, people should not go china to do business since it lead to a lot of corruptions among the regional government of china.

but anyways, let say I am have overlooked.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-28 11:28

有需求先有供應，
要保護任何野，
必先由根本做起，
需求減少，自然唔洗殺咁多。
and yes,
they should not go to china to do business cause it really lead to corruption and abuse.

and Peter仔，呢個forum同呢個topic係講緊中魚翅同中國人，自然係taget中國。
如果係其他multiculture forum見到叫日本唔好食鯨魚同toro，我一樣會支持，所以你d歪理可以收番埋入衣櫃。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-28 11:57

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-28 12:59 編輯
有需求先有供應，
要保護任何野，
必先由根本做起，
需求減少，自然唔洗殺咁多。
and yes,
they should not go to china to do business cause it really lead to corruption and abuse.

and Peter仔，呢個forum同 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-28 12:28


cool, good for u to be hero and the ppl like me be a devil, I don't care

but, if u are trying to be hero, why restricting that we shouldnt talk about the people in other countries to overkill other animal?

geez, another example of chinese 自卑心 effect
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-6-28 14:18

You don't get the points.
How if people only cut off crab's claws and then drop them into the water after?
How if people only cut off salmon's belly and then drop them back into the water after?

Ano ...
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-27 21:39


How is that different than cutting the fish head off and throwing it in the garbage?

I hardly agree with Chunsh but this time I see his point.
作者: peter236    時間: 2009-6-28 15:34

you moron,佢地已經有限制，要做既可以隨時收緊，
shark finning仲係冇法例限制，
that's the problem。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-28 10:28

you moron, if there is no international limit, then set it up at the UN. You cannot blame the fisherman when there is no limit set.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-28 17:12

THANK FOR CALLING ME HEROIC.
YOU DEVIL MISSES THE POINT,
WE TALK ABOUT THIS HERE IS BECAUSE IT REACH THE TARGET, WHICH IS CHINESE,
AND THE POINT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER COUNTRIES OVERKILLING ANIMAL IS TRYING TO  SHOVE OFF.
WE DIDN'T RESTRICT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT, IF FACT WE ARE MORE WELCOME YOU TO BRING THAT UP IN A POSITIVE WAY, BUT DON'T USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO ESCAPE.
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2009-6-28 21:00

chunsh, be calm. If you have watched the film you will know the it's not about morality. But I respect what you say as you may haven't watched it yet.

Although i stopped eating shark fin for a long t ...
khaki 發表於 2009-6-26 09:35 AM

Hey Khaki,
I have been doing the same thing for a LONG time. I never order shark fin and at wedding, I just politely tell the waiter to scope out one less serving. I may even use the chance to explain to some friends why ( and hope they will do the same).
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-28 21:10

How is that different than cutting the fish head off and throwing it in the garbage?

I hardly agree with Chunsh but this time I see his point.
Austin 發表於 2009-6-28 14:18

Long time no see, Austin.
Did I say my examples are different from yours?
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-6-28 21:38

同多d人講, 食翅会中水银毒跟住不舉...攪掂.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-28 23:39

THANK FOR CALLING ME HEROIC.
YOU DEVIL MISSES THE POINT,
WE TALK ABOUT THIS HERE IS BECAUSE IT REACH THE TARGET, WHICH IS CHINESE,
AND THE POINT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER COUNTRI ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-6-28 18:12


escape?
no way!!
I am what I am
I just did what i did to save/hurt the earth, and so do u (and all other super-heros)
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-28 23:46

同多d人講, 食翅会中水银毒跟住不舉...攪掂.
daimo 發表於 2009-6-28 22:38

yeah, and so I heard the same effect would happen to men about eating too much 紫菜 too.

nowadays, we cannot eat "a" because it is genetic modified and that would harm our next generation
we should not eat "b" because it contains too much heavy metal
we should not eat "c" because eating "c" is causing cancer
we should not eat "d" because eating "d" is not good for ecosystem
.
.
.
.
S H I T!!!!
can I breath?? I breath out CO2 and thats not good for earth too
note: I only ate shark-fin few times a year (obviously I am not rich) and yes I know if everyone think the same way as I do will make a diff. But hey, all the shoutings, yelpings about stopping shark-fin is not too loud until these 10 years, China become rich and many rich china business men HUGELY increase the demand of shark-fin. Why dont u guys go to some mainland chinese forum and shout what u did here?

9個page喇﹐好明顯有好多LYK係唔食魚翅既, 大家都是有愛心的地球英雄
係呢度9up會唔會收唔到太多效用呢
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2009-6-28 23:58

如果有一日，你餓到就黎死，跟住有碗翅嚮你面前，你會：

A。先睇清楚。可能係碗仔翅。
B。飲水唔食渣。
C。拎碗翅去賣。
D。睇吓個碗上面有冇寫住：啲翅嚮邊道黎，ingredient，expiry date 等資料
E。剩係食個碗（瓦碗，膠碗，木碗or鐵碗）
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-28 23:58

When people who don't eat cat or dog or tiger or elephant say eating those kinds of animals is not right, people who eat them say "hey, I don't eat them everyday but just once a while only." Oh well.....

The LYKs here who prefer not eating shark's fin didn't ever ask people not to eat shark's fin. At the beginning, it's a "personal sharing" to voice out what we (who try not to eat or stopped eating shark's fin) think and how we feel. Until a few of us (who eats shark's fin) being curious, we tried to explain in more detail why we have such a thought.
Whoever still likes to keep eating shark's fin need not to worry, we're not going to kidnap you and kill you privately.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-6-29 00:04

勿以惡小而為之，勿以善小而不為。
唔係英雄，只係做番一個人既責任。
我知你好不恥我地，覺得我地扮晒野，
懶係正義咁，
純粹係利己主義，
不過環係發達國家每一個人既責任，因為我地整體欠地球太多。
作者: chocobun    時間: 2009-6-29 02:31

如果有一日，你餓到就黎死，跟住有碗翅嚮你面前，你會：

A。先睇清楚。可能係碗仔翅。
B。飲水唔食渣。
C。拎碗翅去賣。
D。睇吓個碗上面有冇寫住：啲翅嚮邊道黎，ingredient，expiry date 等資料
E。剩係食個碗（ ...
playingtoy 發表於 2009-6-29 00:58

had to laugh out loud on this one XD
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-29 03:00

had to laugh out loud on this one XD
chocobun 發表於 2009-6-29 03:31

why, sorry I don't get the gag point
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-29 11:21

本帖最後由 Ultraman 於 2009-6-29 11:24 編輯
如果有一日，你餓到就黎死，跟住有碗翅嚮你面前，你會：

A。先睇清楚。可能係碗仔翅。
B。飲水唔食渣。
C。拎碗翅去賣。
D。睇吓個碗上面有冇寫住：啲翅嚮邊道黎，ingredient，expiry date 等資料
E。剩係食個碗（ ...
playingtoy 發表於 2009-6-28 23:58

Similar situation, 如果有一日，你餓到就黎死，only the followings are available for you to eat:
A. your own son (only the body, save his head to keep)
B. your own daughter (only the limbs, save the body and head to keep)
C. your wife/husband (etc)
D. your parents (etc)
E. only their clothes
F. their poo poo

Everyone has own principle and stand and bottom line. As long as they didn't force other people to follow.
作者: kisstherain    時間: 2009-6-29 12:01

Some people have no problem eating shark's fin,  that's fine. I just don't understand why they have to mock those who don't eat shark's fin out of caring for the eco system or for the sake of the poor sharks. I don't understand why they have to give extreme examples and go all sarcastic about it.
You like eating then go on. Please also respect those who are different from you.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-29 12:23

Some people have no problem eating shark's fin,  that's fine. I just don't understand why they have to mock those who don't eat shark's fin out of caring for the eco system or for the sake of the poor ...
kisstherain 發表於 2009-6-29 13:01


some people said he is feeling shameful of being a group A person since some of the group A person done something that he think it is heartless and cold blood.

Some people think there is no problem about that, but I think it is very sad for chinese only know how to blame/fight against our own kind.  I always hear someone said "I am shameful to be chinese because blah" (u fill in the "blah"). Yes, killing sharks in that way is not good. But I hardly hear anyone in LYK blaming people wearing fur and complaining about the hunt of the animal who produce the fur in Canada. Yes this is a chinese forum, but this is a chinese forum that is targetting to the chinese community in Canada. And even in Richmond, there is a shop which sells furs in Aberdeen. Anyone here said he/she is shameful of being a Canadian?

I don't know if the video make of that shark film also concern with other improper killing activities in other countries, if not, it is normal for people to suspect those "shark-lover" are just target to chinese
作者: Yui    時間: 2009-6-29 13:14

中國商人為左利益漠視自然生態,獵殺沙魚,手法更是殘暴不仁,這是鐵一般的事實. 我作為一個中國人,為此事感到羞恥,亦已沒有再食魚翅. 這是建基於我個人價值觀和對事物對錯所作出的決定.

對於一些抱有相反態度的人我縱然無法認同,但亦會專重.這是包容.

在這件事上任人再寫十篇論文也不能輕易動搖我的意念.可悲的是讓我看見有些人真的是麻木不仁.
作者: khaki    時間: 2009-6-29 13:22

本帖最後由 khaki 於 2009-6-29 14:27 編輯
some people said he is feeling shameful of being a group A person since some of the group A person done something that he think it is heartless and cold blood.

Some people think there is no proble ...

I don't know if the video make of that shark film also concern with other improper killing activities in other countries, if not, it is normal for people to suspect those "shark-lover" are just target to chinese
chunsh 發表於 2009-6-29 13:23


Shameful is a feeling, who forced you to feel shameful? What about the 6.4 incident? Why do people feel shameful then? 就算我地大家都話你(地)最有道理，你(地)贏曬好未，siumaibb's feeling is still existing.

I am not here to start a fire with you chunsh & etc, you are who you are, I am who I am. And again, please & I hope you can watch the whole movie before going on, if you're not interested, it's fine too, then please stop mocking at others.

And please listen to me, this movie is about SHARK, who da hack will include other improper killing activities and other concerns that's not related? You thought it's like AYCE in 逸閣?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-29 13:42

That's right. If a Japanese feels ashamed/shameful about what his/her ancestors did in the WWII, we can comfort him/her and tell him/her no need to have such a feeling, cuz he/she didn't involve in the event and he/she didn't even born at that time.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-29 14:31

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-6-29 15:34 編輯
在這件事上任人再寫十篇論文也不能輕易動搖我的意念


well said
u guys be the hero
and let me and other who eat shark-fin be the devil
and the world is at peace



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