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The chance that me and caveman moving to the state is getting higher after we done a lot of research and we have been talking to some professional who work in the states...

We probably will consider moving to the state @ 2009 or the latest 2010... since 2009 is the time that US real estate market hit the bottom according the official graph....

But we still have to fly over there to look for jobs and observe the real environment in the states.

We set a 5 years time frame...buy a house in US when it's extremely low, then fly back to Vancouver after 5 years when their real estate market raise after 5 years...

And it's the perfect timing.... because by then, Vancouver housing should drop or at least it will reach a reasonable pricing....

Dun ask me where all the math come from, I'm not the one who did it... Caveman did. and I trust his knowledge and carefulness..

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原帖由 totori 於 2008-5-21 14:36 發表
Maybe your friends who work in the States already told you about this... Don't want to sound too negative but the fact is unless you have relatives in US that can help you to immigrate (as family reun ...

Thanks for the head up.

Like I said, we are not just red-necked, and just move to the states without doing all the researches. We wants to be very well-prepared before we consider to move to the states.

As for employment, my company is a global company where they have offices around the world.  I have confirmed with my GM that I can transfer to any of our offices, including the states offices.

As for my boy, he is carrying double degree, working on his CSC, plus he is thinking to get another minor. He wants to make sure he has enough education before we move to the states.

As for relative, his uncle is living in Texas.

Then again, we know it's not easy to move to the states. so we have to do a lot of homeworks before we make such a decision. We have to fly over there to make a final decision at last; including job hunts for him.

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原帖由 SAZABI 於 2008-5-21 23:06 發表


Just a little suggestion.  If he is willing to spend that amount of time in education, it is better to get a master or PhD degree.

Well, it only gonna take him probably another 6 months to finish what I mentioned..

and yes, we have been discussing, should he get his MBA or Master in the future as well..

But I dunno if it's worthed it due to the money budget....and I'm not sure if a MBA is better for his future or a CFA is better for him. We are still discussing lately lor... too much to consider.

[ 本帖最後由 utopia 於 2008-5-22 08:00 編輯 ]

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Well, we want to make a fortune from  moving to the states. The average house price in the states for a decent house is about $350,000. Base on Econ sense and official graph; the house price will drop to the bottom by 2009 for the states and it should recover in about 5-6 years. Which is the time Vancouver should drop their housing price back to normal.

Also, in the states, paying mortgage is tax deductable. It helps us to put that extra money toward our education. And we have a second plan is move to Texas to work together with his uncle.
With his mom moving there with us, we can open a Chinese restaurant at his uncle town.  We know that his uncle town is a high tech small town where rich professional work there and have no where to spend money.  If we open a restaurant there, all the expenses and money can move wisely with that restaurant. .. and his uncle always felt guilty that his family owe him a big time..so we can easily get support from his uncle. Either getting a job or opening a restaurant lor.

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Twin,

But then... if I do have a choice, I don't want to leave Vancouver and my family.

I just told caveman last night, I have no problem moving to anywhere since I have the gut and I adapt to new environment quite well......

It just... I'm really scared that 5 years frame.....
I will received nightmare calls from my family since my parents ain't young anymore...and I'm very attached to my family........... ai....

You know, especially, his uncle just passed away all the sudden which make me worry about my parents a lot

utopia

I really had nobody to talk about this move except Caveman and his mom.

my friend will just nag me forever about caveman.
You know, our friend in the keg still try to convince me about dumping caveman and find someone better....

About marriage, due to budget and caveman's complicated background. We decided to have destinate wedding.  

I was going to ask you twin but ng ho yee si, since it's not the time yet...

Will you want to join the crazy cruise ship wedding with us? I've been shopping around about the budget and how it can be arrange on the cruise ship wedding.  Caveman and I both hate the "show time" for wedding.... I used to dream about a luxury wedding when I was young...but after been to so many wedding for the past few years.. I"m sick of the big show.

I rather to have a crazy wedding offshore with my dear friend and family. If they are willing to travel with me on the cruise; they are more than welcome.
If budget and time is a problem, we can do it by the port..

p.s. I have been thinking, I will invite the ultimate crazy crew to join my cruise ship wedding LOL. It will be so much fun~~~

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About opening a restaurant, that's not really my idea.
I asked caveman about the resources and cook problem too. He said his uncle know how to make BBQ pork wor and his mom is very good at cooking (which is true)... plus his mom used to ran a restaurant few years ago and lead to success. BUT, it was own by 3 people, and his mom spent so much time in the restaurant and the income is not extremely well due to 3 ownerships...so she quit and sold the business to the cook.  so the restaurant plan most likely is run by his uncle and his mom ga la...

The more I think about our future, the more I felt so ma faan and frustrated.

I wish I can be an irresponsible chick that I don't have to think about $$ and future and just stay at home..

hahaha, or else, I won't call you the other time about the back up plan  la

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The other night caveman ask me this question.
Am I really ready to be with him for the rest of my life?

Because if I choose to be with him, I'm gambling my future with him. That's mean I cannot expect to be like a normal girl out there.  I have to work hard on my career and sacrifices a lot.  I cannot be the spoiled crying baby anymore and be very responsible and plan few steps ahead on every decision.... and expected the worse.

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原帖由 kaimui22 於 2008-5-22 09:47 發表
utopia:

so...what will happen to the restaurant 5 years down the road when you want to move back to Vancouver? Are you just gonna shut it down? Moving down to the states, opening up a new restaurant  ...

About the restaurant, we will leave the restaurant to his uncle. If his mom choose to stay at the states, she can stay. If not, she can choose to come back to Vancouver with us.

To be selfish or for her own good, we seriously think she should move back to China alone. There, she will be happier than stick with us as we both are very ambitious about our future and career. We won't have spare time for family time for her which will make her extra lonely. And it's doesn't matter we are in Vancouver or in the states or in anywhere on the earth.

The other night, caveman drove me for snack and we have our usual talk about life and future....when he got home. He felt sadden but also annoying, that his mom just
sat at sofa alone and not doing anything at all.  Not watching TV, not talking on the phone not doing housework... just nothing and stare at the window ...with an empty eyes...... Then, he talked to his mom in a soft tone... what makes her to be so lonely? Why can't she improve her life, instead of sitting there and do nothing.. Then her mom uses her usual tone and style "What? I'm not lonely, I'm just tired and just done a lot of housework"

Ai....... his mom just won't admit she has problems...and won't try to address it.... IF she can change her attitude towards friends and others, she won't be that lonely.....


Ai...and with his uncle just passed away, his mom has been murmuring to caveman that if caveman died, she will go suicide...........

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原帖由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-22 09:36 發表
maybe i'm just too family orientated... this is in a way how us Twin different. I would totally be up to do wild crazy partying & scary actions. but when it comes to career VS family, i guess i would  ...

Twin,

I'm very family oriented person too but.. reality is reality.
It sounds cold blooded but I don't want to follow caveman's mom ---fate.

His mom is too family oriented to an extreme that lead her to lose everything in her life. I'm not kidding you. The more I listened to his mom history, the more I feel chilled because that sounds too much like me....

I guess I will give up on my dream for my family if I choose a "husband" that have well financial support. But, .. I choose a man who has absolute no family support ....and if I want a middle class, or above middle class life... I have to give up my family...

put it this way, I'm very attached to my family that I would rather ditch my friends and my other half, in order to spend time with my family... but at the end,  I still have to struggle to get what I want.

I know it's my fault that I gave up my education opportunity in the past. And now that education fund goes into my parent's retirement fund. My brother, on the other hand, has full support from my parents. He got his education and also help on down payment, and his wedding (not 100% but more than 50% la)...

In my case, I have to save for my education now (which is my fault). .. save for my
wedding and save for my future down payment....

so if I continuous my habit on attach to my family, end up.. I probably get nothing  or too late to regret....

sometimes, when my sister-in-law comment on us, I feel so sour because she thinks that I'm the only one who save for the future and cavemen contribute nothing ... but I'm too tired to argue with her and my brother because I know what I am doing.... and I don't want to make it ugly...