SAZABI

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-5-2 08:01 發表
Please read through my previous post, Chunsh. 陳巧文被多名警員制服，隨後被警員抬走。 Is this how the police protect citizens? Is this how the police protect the victims? If I smack you in your face, wou ...

None of us were there, so we don't know why the police need to 制服.
But don't you think it is reasonable to think that the girl exert some kind of resistance when she was asked to leave?  I won't believe the cops just use force to 制服 her as soon as they see her presence lor.

SAZABI

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-5-2 12:45 發表

Miss Chan has the right to express her views in public. Given that she did not engage in any violent activities, why should she be the one to get sent off when it's the Mainland supporters that are d ...

lol, so you think it is safe for her to express her views in that "public" enviornment?
I think the police did the right thing to drag her away from that crowd, or she may be lying in some hospital instead of whining about the HK police.

SAZABI

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-5-2 13:07 發表

And who contributed to the hostile environment? Who started the shouting and physical stuff? Miss Chan or the Mainland students?

-Lik

I don't think that is the point for discussion lor.  We all know that the chinese supporters started it most likely.

I thought we were talking about what HK police did.  I just think it was totally appropriate... for protecting Ms. Chan safety, or controlling the general environment at that time.

SAZABI

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-5-3 01:03 發表

挑釁同犯事既係班大陸群眾，陳同學除左和平表達自己意見之外並無做其他乜野。要保護市民，要保障陳同學既安全，自然係從班滋事份子著手。初步既做法係分隔兩幫人，勸愈班大陸群眾。當然，我相信咁做唔會太有用，但程序有跟住來 ...

公唔公義都好, 我覺得警察今次既 action 無問題囉.

不如又咁講丫? 陳同學明知果日果個地方係有乜野 function, 係咩人參與, 都要去踩場, 咁又算唔算去撩事鬥非/滋事? 無其他時間, 地方可以發表佢既意見咩? 有 common sense 既人都知, 兩班人為同一事件去示威, 而立場係對立既, 會唔會好和平?  一或持住有警方保護, 拎住"言論自由", 就可以去公然挑釁?

如果用你既 standard, 點先叫滋事份子? 班人圍住陳同學責罵. 即係未出手郁佢啦, 咁犯左咩法要驅逐/拉人? 咁未出手, 用你既 standard, 群眾/chinese supporter 無言論自由架? 咁做警察既, 係咪要等呀陳同學真係俾人郁先可以做野??

SAZABI

Reply to Traum:

其實公唔公平, 我都唔敢講, 我剩係覺得警方今次既處理手法未必係最好, 但係都算 reasonable.  企圖襲擊陳同學既友人果位都好似搭左喎, 咁都唔算唔公平啦.

我好明白你企响政治角度上, 更係要 support 言論自由.
但係你諗下喎, 好多人都係好似我咁, 想睇奧運0者. 無啦啦走幾條友出黎示威搞串個氣氛. 唔理示威者係咪啱, 我都唔妥佢架啦. 用奧運黎增加暴光率, 另到個示威 effective D, 我就覺得有d自私.  

我本人就對西藏問題就唔係好 care. 因為我跟本唔清楚佢既 history, 政治背境. 我想講既係... 如果陳同學係想示威反對奧運, (因為據辦奧運帶黎既問題. e.g. 有人無屋住, 因為政府收個地方起奧運有關既設施. 勞民傷材. 唔環保... etc) 咁我會覺得 ok 囉. 但係响果個時間, 地點去示威西藏問題, 會唔會有d 9唔搭8 呢?

SAZABI

人權唔可以濫用囉.  唔係有乜野事, 達"人權", "言論自由" 就可以大q哂, 任意妄為囉.
呢d行為, 係响加拿大先經常發生   

我個人既睇法:
响奧運聖火傳送期間, 有理由咁去返對奧運, 咁叫言論自由, 人權.
响奧運聖火傳送期間, 示威西藏問題, 叫搞事. 比人 dup 死都唔駛可憐.

SAZABI

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-5-8 12:28 發表

人地陳同學早排西藏暴亂既時候都已經有響港大民主牆貼挺藏人自決既海報啦，轉頭咪俾人撕晒落來。

中國人權會因攪奧運而進步，呢樣野係中共政府自己講，自己當年申辦既時候既承諾。好喇，依家奧運就俾你做，但承諾你就做唔到， ...

你又知中國人權問題上無進步? 搵咩比較? 咩程度先叫有人權? 整安全注射屋, 派0下毒品先叫追得上 standard?

呢個 condition 响搞奧運個 proposal 上面寫明架? 點解要張人權/整治同奧運拉埋一齊? 知唔知 1968 奧運响邊舉辦? 1980? 奧運幾時加多個項目叫人權架? 我想講既係, Olympics 唔係政治運動. 就係咁簡單.

最重要係, 你一路講緊既係 "陳同學出黎搞事係佢既人權". 我 argue 既係佢呢d叫濫用"人權" / "言論自由". 我對中國政治無興趣, 所以唔好assume 我响呢方面既立場.

SAZABI

原帖由 soli 於 2008-5-8 13:13 發表
又譬如﹐如果有班人上街話﹐以一部份日本人既歪理話南京大屠殺係捏造出黎﹐阿力哥你又點睇?

人權 + 言論自由 = win

SAZABI

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-5-8 13:59 發表

Sazabi兄，

如果我係爛仔，把口就猛同你講我會改過自身，但三日唔埋兩日就攪到眼青鼻腫，又成日出入監房，你仲信唔信我有改過自身？

如果我同個姐姐仔講，話你肯同我上床既話我過兩年就一定娶你。好啦，個姐姐仔俾我搞左，重買大送 ...

力,
絕對明白你既觀點. 不過都係果句, 我覺得你睇呢件事既時候可能太政治化. 不妨企响一個普通人既角度, 可能你會明白好多响呢件事唔妥陳同學既人都唔係因為佢地親中, 愛國... etc.

呀... 你講既例子, 我會罵你賤, 亦會笑條女豬兜.  呵呵...

SAZABI

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-5-8 21:47 發表


小弟都覺得撕左佢唔係咁好, o係上面打個大交叉, 再貼幾張陳同學既艷照上去, 跟住再o係旁邊寫番篇"港大學生放盪生活錄", 咁應該會比較吸引讀者.

LOL! you are so funny!  Remind me her facebook pics, wahahaha