Lik

Thank you for posting.

I'm extremely interested to see what our dear Peter and Rockypath have to say about the outdated 戶藉 system.

-Lik

Lik

TWhat do I have to say? It will depend on what your argument is. The outdated 戶藉 system is a fact and existing social issue. You can state your points, take your stand and make your argument. I will be happy to play devil advocate.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-14 14:58

What's the point of laying out an argument with you though? From your remarks above, it is obvious that you are arguing for argument's sake.

-Lik

Lik

It's just another issue of self-interest.  Self-interest pretty much explains a lot of things.  But who doesn't want to protect his/her self-interest? As someone born and living in the city, would you want your city to be flooded with legitimate residents from the villages?
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-4-14 15:58

It's more than an issue of self-interest because at its core, the problem lies in greed, inequality, and social injustice. The migrant workers are being taken advantage of for their cheap labour and their obedient good nature. They've done their part and contributed their youth and their lives to their country's economic growth, and yet they continue to be treated as second class citizens in their own country by the government. In fact, they are treated as dirty laundry and swept under the carpet (having to return to their native villages) when they've out-lived their usefulness -- ie. the moment factory workers start to get old and can't keep up with the demanding production quotas, they are either fired or forced to resign.

(Of course, the situation has improved quite a bit in the last year or two when lots of migrant workers decided to not return to Guangdong for work. But that doesn't change any of the injustice around the 戶藉 system.)

On the other hand, those with money and in positions of power can continue to manipulate the system to suit themselves. If you have the dough, you can buy yourself a residency status even in Shanghai.

-Lik

Lik

Did you ever consider the 後果 if the CCP is overthrown when you are bashing the CCP and 煽動群眾情緒? What is the alternative if CCP is overthrown and what kind of situation will it be in China?
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-17 15:10

其實中國今日嘅內政問題千瘡百孔，其他人就算唔講，難道你真係又天真又傻到以為中國國內嘅老百姓唔知，同埋啲領導人唔為意咩？中央政府用咁多資源去打壓同河蟹唔同嘅聲音，其實就正正係佢心虛嘅嘅表現。

如果老共係唔得民心，咁佢俾人推返又有咩咁出奇呢？就正如國民黨當年貪婪腐敗，所以咪倒台敗走台灣囉？

你上面所講嘅呢句說，就正如 60幾年前啲支持國民黨嘅人會所講嘅一樣。所唔同嘅係，你將 CCP 換咗落 KMT 果度。

昨日播咩種，今日咪得咩果囉。歷史嘅巨輪又豈係區區幾個人就可以改變嘅呢？

-力

Lik

s the life of Chinese people improving?

In general, yes. In the cities (esp the bigger ones), definitely. But at the same time, while the overall population's lives and standards of living, millions and billions more continue to suffer and rot, especially in the more remote villages in the country. Even when in the city, certain people's lives are ruined because the government continues to do things ruthlessly in the name of "progress and development". What your stupid proof again? Go look up what 釘子戶 are and why you see them in China.

Is the political system improving?

LOL~ Is this a joke you're trying to tell? Locally at the smaller towns and stuff, there are little improvements to include more "democratic" elements to take people's needs into account. But structurally, factions in the political systems continue to fight -- between the central government and the regional governments, within the central government between the Shanghai gang, princes league, 團派. The Party still controls everything.

Is the justice system improving?

上訪人士、趙連海（結石寶寶之家嘅發起人）、胡佳、高智晟。Enough said.

Is its function of monitoring the government of public media improving?

There are daring papers and reporters such as 南方都市報, but even the most daring ones only dare to 只鬧貪官、不罵皇帝. And at the end of the day, who controls the media in China? One word from the Grandfather and everybody shuts up.

Is its international influence improving?
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 11:13

Influence it has, but only because of the country's wealth, not because its principles are right. On a different note, I just read that according to some survey institute, the US' international image improved significantly since Obama became president, but China's image has more or less stayed the same -- meaning that it continues to remain poor.

-Lik

Lik

Unfortunately, 維園ah伯 might know more than you do.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 14:00

Yeah? Where is your proof for that? If you can't provide any proof of it, don't bother writing la~



-Lik