Ultraman

As BG mentioned, why there are some of these 8 characters have a lot less votes than others if people are stereotyping? Why the lowest has just 1 vote but the highest could up to 17 (up to now)? People can simply pump up everything up to a their happy level if they only want to against and hate all Christians. Yeah, constructive comments could be harsh and mean, and people don't want to listen is also very normal. But you just can't deny the truth.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 17:32 發表


Yes, that is still stereotyping.  My cats don't like to eat fish.  And I know many dogs don't obey to their owner.  So what make your opinion the "truth" and mine is not?

Look here, I am not denying those things and those Christians exist.  Of course they do, but to say most Christians are that way is irresponsible.  There are over 8 million Protestants in Canada alone, so how many you've come across to come to the conclusion that most Christians are how you described.

And let me make it clear to you, I'm not a Christian.  I'm just sick of those anti-christians finding any and every way to attack people.  Just like I'm sick of those anti-gay or racist attacks.

If you want to post your experience, that's fine, to stereotype a group of people is wrong.

This is kind of silly and childish argument.
For example, I say: "usually human have two eyes and one nose." And you say I'm stereotyping, cuz there are babies only have one eye and no  nose in born. OK, what is stereotyping, and what is a neutral comment? Please don't give rare and exceptional case, which make all comments become stereotyping.

If there is only 10 people in the world, and all of them like to eat fish (including myself). I say: "all the human in the world like to eat fish", am I stereotyping? If 9 out of 10 like to eat fish, and I say: "most human in the world like to eat fish", am I stereotyping? Do you know how many dogs are there in the world? You said you know many, how many? What is the portion? Bigger or smaller portion? How do you know my "most" is not the majority of them but your "many" is?

Once more, what is "stereotyping" and what is "general case"? How to describe general case but not count as stereotyping in your opinion? Or in your pov there should be no general case at all, only case by case?

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 17:53 發表


Because voters are probably voting based on their feeling of that group of people, not necessaily having ATTACK in mind.  

The funny thing is, if like some people believe, that LYK are mostly Christians, and if Christians can't accept "the truth", then how come the highest vote isn't "none of the above"?

How do we know every voter's religious background? A believer can vote none of the above, also all of the above; same as a non-believer. You can't assume all believers would defend and all non-believers would against, are you stereotyping too?
You may think: "because numbers of non-believer voters are way more than believer voters, and that's why the voting result is like this". Well, who knows?! People who don't want to accept and face the result could have many different excuse.

Ultraman

原帖由 kisstherain 於 2009-1-11 22:22 發表
People stereotype because they are lazy to find out the truth.
They will 'remember' when they see people from a certain group  doing things that fit their assumption. They tend to forget or ignore when people from certain group doing something not fitting their assumption. A lot of people  goes "See, it's a Richmond c 9 driving again" when they see a Chinese woman not driving so well in Richmond. But do they say anything or even notice  women drive alright in Richmond?

You better watch out for your own words. Or someone will come up and whine, say you're now stereotyping people who stereotype are all lazy people.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-11 22:40 發表


睇投票既數據, 就知道LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒!

Same to you, mjj. You're now stereotyping the possibility of how this result came out.

Ultraman

My knowledge and understanding of the meaning of the use of some adjectives are as below:

- almost all
example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?

- most
example: There are 10 apples on my table, 6 in red, and 4 in green.
I would say "Most apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?


My big question:
Why there are troublesome people who like to make things more complicated, and even worse, turn nothing to a problem, and enlarge a small problem to a big one?
(Note: I only use "there are", but not "almost all", not "most", not even "some" this time, in case someone say I'm stereotyping again.)

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-11 23:29 發表

Ultraman兄, 可否詳細解釋一下小弟o係邊一個層面有stereotype?

You said: "睇投票既數據, 就知道LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒!"
To someone's pov, how do you know all "LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒"? One of the other chances is, some LYK might 遇到好既基督徒, but just want to pump up the voting result? And lots more possibilities. So you're stereotyping there is only one possibility.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 03:36 發表


example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?
Answer: No, you are not stereotyping bec ...

Yes, both of us try to make solid and valid examples that are "countable".

However, how to describe some/many cases that are very general and popular in some/many people's mind? Such as, can people say "MOST mothers love their kids", "most dogs love to chew bones", "most cats love to eat fish",...etc, are these still stereotyping? Since people can't really count how many mothers, dogs and cats in the whole world, they can't give these kind of "opinion"? So people should answer "oh, I don't know if mothers would love their kids", "I'm not sure if dogs love to chew bones".... ? This is what I said you are making things more complicated and turning nothing to problems. Don't just object and argue because you just want to.

Ultraman

Just want to satisfy some of the LYK here. Now the title is: 有些基督徒的八大惡劣特徵.
How many are there is that "有些"? it could be "just a few" to "quite a few", depends on individual's own experience. Since I think it is very unlikely all the votes were towards the same person, so I think at least there should be more than one Christian who have these 8 characters. And since LYK is just a very tiny forum compare to all others in the whole world, and all forums are just a shrink size of the real society/world,  how many of these Christians are actually there in the whole world? You decide.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 11:10 發表


So based on what you said, people who would say that it's stereotyping to say "blondes are stupid" is just making things more complicated and turning nothing to problems.

Now you're stereotyping all cases and situations are the same.