Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 17:32 發表


Huh? Every human being could have different view, and so many peeple think of this, another reason why people don't want to be human being?....

求同存異呀, 大哥...

You lost your mind? Did you forget what issue we've been talking about? Of course, every different man could have different POV and etc. But haven't we keep talking about certain religion? Is that particular religion has no rules/teaching for believers to follow at all? If so, how come the meaning of those rules/teaching can be so widely various? Then how can believer follow, and which rule(s)/teaching(s) can be followed directly and which one(s) up to every personal standard/judgment?

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 17:35 發表


Too bad that I don't think this way. Are you sure? Seems that you are wrong this time.

What do you think the different between to donate money from winning a lottery and money from a robbery? And which (or both) case would be appreciated by God and which wouldn't?

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 17:36 發表


Why don't you try to gamble on whether someone will go to pee today or not? It becomes gamble activity so he/she cannot go to pee today la....

Please refresh your confusing mind. It is not my thought! I said, why MJ is treated as a gambling-only tool and so Christians can't play it at all even money is not involved. My thought is exactly the other way round. Since money is not involved, so it's shouldn't be a problem for Christians to play MJ.
Now your example is, someone use peeing as a gambling tool, so in those Christians POV, yes they shouldn't pee at all! Which I don't think like this.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 17:41 發表


Are you crazy or mentally handicapped?...
no matter he/she is a prostitute, drug addict or blah blah, if someone needs help, ppl, no matter a christian or not, would give him/her a hand la.

唔好鑽 ...

Please don't misunderstand me again and again. This was my example to "challenge" or ask Christians, see if they think this is a problem or not. I personally think it isn't! And if I were a Christian, I will definitely help that prostitute. Is that clear?

Ultraman

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-7 21:43 發表

Which idiot will use pee'ng as a gambling tool ah?  Even if you hate your bladder, you don't want to keep shaking your head gua (you know "liu chun")...LOL

Yeah, mcjohnjohn really has a sense of humor. Haha.....

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 21:49 發表


Ultraman, seems that you are the one who lost your mind...
I don't think that ALL Christians should have same POV in ALL areas, can you get it? We are human being ar...
For me, my religion have two  ...

Dear friend, I did mentioned, human is not perfect, and nobody is perfect, no matter believers or non-believers. What I keep saying is, the bible is like a staff handbook written by a company, it's for ALL staffs to follow, no excuse and no exceptional case, how can it be some staffs can do this and that but some staffs can't do this and that? No matter the staffs like or don't like, happy or unhappy, they have to follow straightly unless they don't want to work for that company, is that right and sense making to you? And of course, whether the staffs are capable to follow all the instruction is a different story.
Now back to our discussion, shouldn't all Christians (or including Catholics and believers) willing to follow the bible teaching? I'm talking about the attitude, not the capability. And of course, no man is perfect, and thus there must be something this and that they can't do in full. That's call "weakness". But if to say, those believers don't want to follow the bible in the first place, that's the problem and they shouldn't even believe in the religion.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 21:54 發表


I don't know, please ask God.
I am not a representative of God, and I THINK that he may not want to have both.

You said, you don't see any problem donating money from winning a lottery to a church. Now you said you think God may not accept that?!

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-7 21:58 發表


I just want to tell you that as a Christian, I would definitely help her. Is it clear?
Why do you think Christian would not help that prostitute? Isn't it 鑽牛角尖?

Not me 鑽牛角尖. Someone quoted from the bible, Christians shouldn't do anything that may let brothers fall. So playing MJ in church even not for gambling is not good, cuz it might give negative impression to both Christians and non-believers. Then I stated out my prostitute example. Would that case be possible to let other brothers to fall? I myself don't think so and so I will give her a hand (even I were a Christian). But I want to hear what other Christians think. Cuz I wonder what things count as "potentially will let other brothers to fall".

Ultraman

I tried some time to finish this long passage. Yet I might be stupid or “屬理”?! I don't quite get what the meaning it wants to say. Or should I look for and go study the background and history and custom and geographic background  of the writer first?

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-8 00:16 發表


YES!

I didn't see any problem donating money from winning a lottery to a church, and it is my POV.
I told you that God may not accept that, because I don't know whether he would accept it or not.

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As someone said, if a person has been attending church and read the bible for long, he/she should able to have at least basic understanding and knowledge of that religion.
You should know those basic answers without asking your mighty God. Such as whether you should kill someone (even law is allowed), tell lies, take drugs, ... and gambling. Don't try to cheat yourself and others, you know the answer. You can say you know it's not right, but due to your weakness you can't help doing it.