Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-12 12:14 發表
...可是不管如何﹐我們知道無論信與不信的人﹐都是神所造﹐神所愛的﹐無論兒子如何不認父親﹐父親一樣以無私的愛愛他﹐那是因為他是父親所愛的兒子啊﹐我們要學效父親﹐所以都只會為不認父親的婉惜概嘆﹐卻不會恨他們﹐相反﹐希望他們有朝一日醒覺過來﹐重新認識造他又一直以不變的愛愛他的父。。。

To Christians/believers, all human are made by God; but to non-believers, not all of them think in this way.
From Christians/believers POV: no matter people believe it or not, all human made by God.
From a beef lover's POV: no matter you like it or not, beef tastes the best.
From a gay: all women cannot be loved.
Are these true?

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 14:02 發表



That's right.  That's because I'm applying your logic.

Actually, I'm just saying this case is the same as the "blonde" case.  I didn't apply to all cases

I really don't want to waste time to argue with you pointlessly, and even I win you mouth-tongue-ly, it's also meaningless, cuz just the two of us can't represent all people anyways.

Therefore I put up my #81 post, and it should be able to satisfy you.

Ultraman

Thanks for the link, it's very interesting.
To some Christians, it might be offensive. But to many non-believers, it's so true. Why seems Christians/Christianity is the most annoying and ridiculous religion that piss people off? Even some people tried hard to believe, but turned out feeling very upset and disappointed at the end.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-13 03:21 發表


Taste of meat and love of woman are personal preferences, the existen of God and whether God create human are not, but the belief of God and creation human is personal preference.  In this case, obv ...

What do you think "the existing of God and whether God create human" are?

Ultraman

Seems like same sex relationship is the top thing they against/hate. Did God mention it in the bible like that? Don't God rank all types of sin the same? In His eyes, aren't greedy, selfish, stealing, raping, ... and same sex relationship all equal and deserve the same punishment? Why Christians not to against people being greedy, selfish, ..... etc?

Ultraman

- I admit that there ARE nice Christians around, and I have average and close friends who are Christians. That means, I DON'T hate or attack or against ALL Christians.

- All human are imperfect. That means, all Christians and non-Christians are imperfect, and they will make mistakes. Believing in Jesus/God/Christianity doesn't necessary change people to better people. Therefore, there are non-Christians and Christians being selfish and greedy, steal, rob, rape, kill, having same sex relationship/marriage...etc.

- Even said so, there is a "handbook" (bible) for believers to follow, to give them an idea what a believer/Christian should do and not to do. Provided that the bible tells people to do good things but not bad things. So theoretically, believers/Christians should have a better personality and they should do better things than non-believers/non-Christians.

- We know there was the 双氧水事件, and now this 蘇穎智 case, which they don't represent all believers/Christians, but how they upset and disappoint people is a fact. However, why there are so many believers/Christians chose to listen and follow them?! Shouldn't all individual believer has own ability to define and judge what's right and what's wrong?!

- As someone clarified, there is only one big sin stated in the bible, that is the sin of people refusing/ignoring God. In other words, ain't all the sin of being selfish and greedy, stealing, robbing, raping, killing, and having same sex relationship/marriage the same "ranking"? Why not Christians stand up to against people being selfish and greedy, steal, rob, rape, kill...... etc but only have the biggest reaction about same sex relationship/marriage or anything related to same sex matter?

Ultraman

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-15 18:44 發表


Good to see that you begin to argue objectively and analytical.

Just begin?! I always do, just you (and maybe some others) don't see/feel it.
Anyways, where are the feedbacks?