peter236

不能實行一地兩檢，乘客香港上車要深圳落車過關，高鐵六百億等同廢物
如大陸公安可以在香港執行通關，一國兩制蕩然無存，香港從此淪陷!
ricrick 發表於 2010-1-15 15:59

It is kind of like US customs at the Vancouver airport, right?

peter236

LOL
it happens everywhere in the world
we all again HST, but do we get a chance and power to oppose it?
chunsh 發表於 2010-1-15 17:32

Here in Canada, no matter which party you elect, they still hike the tax rates in one form or another. So there is no need to protest.
In Hong Kong, they cannot elect the government, so they blame everything on the government. What they are unaware of is that, even if there are democratic elections, it is not going to change anything, like in other democratic countries.

peter236

加拿大福利國家，重稅是難免，但市民都相信錢是會再反係市民身上
但中國的中央集權，用的是國家資源，受惠的是權貴高幹子弟自己友，平民得到什麼？ ...
ricrick 發表於 2010-1-15 18:07

Like new railways and subways etc, things that people can use every day.

peter236

再講一次:
高鐵唔係日常交通工具，
只係有商務、旅遊會用，
係奢侈品，
大陸如是，
放眼世界如是。
只有一條來回大阪東京既高鐵係唔蝕。
其他高鐵，全部都係勁蝕。
如果一條鐵路唔停站直上廣州，冇問題，好，起啦。
...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-1-15 18:56

Well, China has 10 times Japan's population. The idea of building any subway or highspeed railway is not for making money. It is a public service for reducing the need of driving cars and for promoting economic growth. If you don't want to lose money, then governments should not be building public schools or libraries.
Some people think it is a waste of money just because it is "highspeed", but still many countries in Europe are building in order to promote economic growth. The reduction of pollution from car trips is already a big return to the society.
Highspeed railway in China is going to reduce the need for domestic flights as train travel is always cheaper than air travel.

peter236

train travel is always cheaper than air travel
Really???
Try take the Rocky Mountaineer to Calgary,CAD $1,600 ONE WAY,
CAD$4,500 to Halifax.
I traveled once at half price, still $800 + Gratuity and Ta ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-1-15 19:14

Highspeed train from Beijing to Tianjin is cheaper than plane.
Highspeed train from Wuhan to Guangzhou is cheaper than plane.

Your Rocky Mountaineer to Calgary is just a low capacity tour train, which operates during selected days during the summer, LOL.

Someone said you like to BS, now I know why.

peter236

20# peter236

2 members in LYK say I'm BSing, but they are despised by the rest of members that I do not know
personally. Point out my mistakes instead of name calling.
Who said Train traveling is a ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-1-15 22:00

Just go to Japan or Europe and see for yourself that highspeed railway is in big demand. In China, highspeed railway is designed to be cheaper and more convenient than air travel, and faster than driving your own car or taking the bus.
There are 300 million people moving into the major Chinese cities over the next few decades. Demand for highpseed railway is increasing rapidly. Now the conventional railway is congested. The new highspeed railway will relieve the conventional railway of traffic so that it can accomodate more passenger and freight traffic, thereby promoting further economic growth.
It may be hard for you grasp idea of the rapid economic growth in China, but over time you will.

peter236

I'm not against transportation system, but I do not agree the way
they rush in the outrageous cost project. They could have made it
way less expensive (learn from the Chinese experience for instant,
o ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-1-15 23:50

nah, it is not rushed at all, since they knew China was planning highspeed railway for many years. Hong Kong has been talking about highspeed railway since 2000 when it was still cheap. Some of those legislators who opposed back then are now saying it is too expensive now, LOL.

peter236

Just  let the Chinese  Railway Corp to run the project, it would
be much easier to manage.
I think most Hong Kong citizen are willing to pay, after all,
it is part of China now.
Hey, I did not post a  ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-1-16 00:02

This is not going to happen since the Hong Kong construction workers will complain their jobs being taken away by low cost labor from China.

peter236

A very good column:

信報 -- 高鐵 --- 香港的悲哀

到了內地山區一星期，回來才知高鐵被八十後鬧得熱烘烘。也得感謝他們那份熱情，才能叫港人包括我自己，再次看清這個大項目。建制派說大基建工程能推動經濟，創造 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-1-16 03:01

What a piece of crap article? According to the same logic, we need to demolish the Canada line and the Skytrain since they are losing money.
The amount of pollution cut from reduced car trips is already a big return from the highspeed railway. Further economic development are being generated along the highspeed railway lines of the world.

peter236

不瀏都知道你無人性㗎啦～ Thank you 你自己再一次證明呢個事實囉。


你係盲定係有病呢？撐高鐵同反高鐵人士都有去立法會出面示威，而撐高鐵果班仲同政府申請咗話有成千人出席，但最後就連果一百友都唔夠。反高鐵 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-1-17 13:38

Those who support the highspeed railway, are the "silent majority". They are the people with better culture and behavior, they don't need to protest violently.