美艦再被拒訪港 「元旦度假」無情講 ղķʿ

peter236

http://www.mingpaonews.com/20071202/cab1.htm

2007年12月2日

【明報專訊】美國國防部昨日表示，中國早前曾再拒絕讓另1艘美國軍艦在元旦假期停泊香港，同時也拒絕讓美軍運輸機降落香港執行補給任務。有消息指，美國曾要求中國停止部署「東風-31型」導彈，但遭到中國軍方拒絕。

補給運輸機不准降落

美國國防部發言人昨天證實，美軍導彈驅逐艦「魯賓詹姆士號」在10月向中方申請，希望在來香港度元旦。但在11月22日，中方改口同意小鷹號入港時，卻拒絕「魯賓詹姆士號」訪港，並拒絕美軍1架「C-17」軍用運輸機降落香港進行補給任務。該架運輸機每隔3個月都會為美國駐港總領事館運送補給，中方沒有解釋拒絕原因。近來已經有4艘美國軍艦被拒停泊香港。

美國一名高級海軍將領透露，香港是深受美國水兵喜愛的國際港口，未來將仍按需要向中方提出停泊香港的請求。

美促華停部署遠程導彈

內地有網站指，美國曾經要求中國停止部署射程達8000公里，在中國發射能覆蓋美國西岸的「東風-31型」導彈，但遭到中國軍方拒絕。

另據台灣傳媒報道，國務院台辦主任陳雲林即將訪問華府，這是他今年內第3次訪美，頻密程度空前。

peter236

The US should realize that they should behave themselves.

peter236

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-2 10:12 發表
I don't really agree with the way the Central Government is handling this incident.

From an economics point of view, the Kitty Hawk battalion is a 7000-strong crew. Add to that their families and stu ...

You are such a pro-US person that your logic is totally stupid. Just do some math, you smartie. The amount that those US sailors usually spend in HK is petty compared to tens of thousands dollars spent by those tourists from mainland China. Only a very small number of their family members actually went to HK. These sailors usually become drunk after a couple of beers and caused a lot of problems.

The US recognizes Taiwan as part of China, but is still selling weapons to Taiwan province even after China had protested.

The US recognizes Tibet as part of China, but the US congress gave an award to Dalai Lama, even after China had protested.

People like you will always say China does the wrong thing. You are one who should learn how to deal with the foreign racists. You should be protesting against unreasonable foreign actions against China instead of becoming their laughing stock.

You see, this is not the Ching dynasty, China is much stronger than before and China is now taking a srong stance against unreasonable US actions. This is not about saving face, this is about sending a strong signal to the US bigots. The US may think they can do anything and China will not fight back. But this time around, China sent a very suitable  political message. Those naval visits will resume once the US understands that their bigotry.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2007-12-2 18:08 編輯 ]

peter236

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-2 17:58 發表
Ok, I am convinced that Peter is SuperJohn.

So you're SuperJohn yesterday. And Peter today. And then Edward tomorrow. And Thomas the next day! Or maybe all 10 of you all chime in to say pretty much e ...

BTW, many LYKs have changed their names.

If you think properly you will understand that the short term economic impact of cancelling naval visits is very small.
No one said you said that we should stop China's Free Walk tourists. But those Free Walk tourists do spend a lot more.
These US sailors mainly spend on beers.

Sometimes it is hard to argue with unreasonable people like you who will bash China and support those foreign colonialists, no matter what.

It is all about sending a political message. China did the right thing. That's how you play politics.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2007-12-2 18:11 編輯 ]

peter236

原帖由 p51dray 於 2007-12-3 21:02 發表
Traum gave REASONS why he thought China act wrongly in this matter.  Even if he hates China, so what?  Learn to attack the basis of his arguments please.  

US sailor bring in foreign income into Chin ...

Point for point, Traum just could not suppport his arguments. China did the right thing by standing up strong against foreign bullies. Like Traum said before, making money is not everything. We should not stay shut up in the face of foreign interference. As for those drunken US sailors, they buy very little, only a couple of beers, compared with the millions of tourists that visit Hong Kong from China and around the world.

I don't understand why you said tourists from China do not bring economic benefits to HK. You want them to spend money overseas instead, LOL? By the same logic, tourists from Toronto is not good for the economy of Vancouver or Canada, since we are the same country. At least, local tourists spending within the country is better than spending overseas, benefitting foreigners.

Maybe China should grow up. So should the US, that invades other countries, keeps on selling weapons to Taiwan, and keeps on supporting the Dalai Lama, eventhough the US recognizes Taiwan and Tibet as parts of China. Just imagine how the US would react if some country pisses them off.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2007-12-3 22:22 編輯 ]

peter236

原帖由 yungfourfour 於 2007-12-4 23:14 發表
Yup
Lik gor, so far no one challenges you about the human right point, but instead keep going from the $ perspective.
自由行 let their kids poo poo in the sink at disneyland
but of course somebody thi ...

Maybe you should be the one who should collect skin.

It was Lik who looked at it from the $ perspective and said Hong Kong suffered economic loss because of those cancelled navy visists. But in earlier discussions, Lik said money is not everything and China should stand up for its own rights against foreign countries over issues like Japan war crimes, Diaoyutai Islands, Taiwan etc. So he actually contradicted himself.

As we all know, when you play power politics with the US, you do not consider humanitarian issues.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2007-12-5 00:37 編輯 ]

peter236

原帖由 p51dray 於 2007-12-4 23:41 發表


Perhaps I need to make my point more clear with an example.  Chinese mainlander A spends $1 at HK -> HK wealth increase $1, Mainland wealth decrease $1 -> net increase in wealth in China = $0.  An U ...

Of course, I see your point. Its like a tourist from Toronto spends $1 in Vancouver. Toronto is -1 while Vancouver is +1. Still, it is better than spending $1 in the US which results in -1 for Canada. But Hong Kong still gets millions of tourists from all over the world, not only China. Traum does not need to worry about economic loss for Hong Kong because of a few cancelled naval visits.

But these naval visits will resume after China has made the point and the US gets it.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2007-12-5 00:35 編輯 ]

peter236

It is nice to see the US gets the point from China, and now they have stopped complaining.

peter236

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-5 04:05 發表

I agree with you on this point, Ovaltine, and that is precisely what some of us have been trying to do here -- to point out that China is practicing uncivilized diplomacy by blindly refusing the Kitt ...

You still do not get it. There are many reasons for China to deny these naval visits. The US recognizes Taiwan as part of China, but is still selling weapons to Taiwan province even after China had protested.

The US recognizes Tibet as part of China, but the US congress gave an award to Dalai Lama, even after China had protested.

You know, this is not the Ching dynasty, China is much stronger than before and China is now taking a srong stance against uncivilized US actions. This is about sending a strong signal to the US bigots. Like you said, you want China to act strongly against foreign bigotry. The US has finally backed down for now. As we all know, these actions taken by China are already very civilized compared with all the uncivilized actions taken by the US around the world.

When you play power politics with the western colonialists, you don't use terms like "civilized" or 'humanitarian". That's how the game is played.

peter236

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-6 21:14 發表

You are quite correct, Vincent. But while the US government may not directly cut the Chinese government any slack, businesses in the US most certainly do not want to risk a poor China-US relationship ...

You still do not get it. Maybe you think China should just shut up if the US sells weapons again to Taiwan.
Don't you even realize that the Dalai Lama has political aspirations, since he led the riot against the Chinese government?
All these western governments are supporting his plans of splitting Tibet from China.

Again, you have to play power politics with the US, instead of acting like a coward.