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Chinese Chip Closes In on Intel, AMD

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/26596/?a=f

China may finally have a processor to power a homegrown supercomputer.

Thursday, October 21, 2010

By Christopher Mims

At this year's Hot Chips conference at Stanford University, Weiwu Hu, the lead architect of the "national processor" of China, revealed three new chip designs. One of them could enable China to build a homegrown supercomputer to rank in a prestigious list of the world's fastest machines.

The Loongson processor family (known in China by the name Godson), is now in its sixth generation. The latest designs consist of the one-gigahertz, eight-core Godson 3B, the more powerful 16-core, Godson 3C (with a speed that is currently unknown), and the smaller, lower-power one-gigahertz Godson 2H, intended for netbooks and other mobile devices. The Godson 3B will be commercially available in 2011, as will the Godson 2H, but the Godson 3C won't debut until 2012.

According to Tom Halfhill, industry analyst and editor of Microprocessor Report, the eight-core Godson 3B will still be significantly less powerful than Intel's best chip, the six-core Xeon processor. It will be able to perform roughly 30 percent fewer mathematical calculations per second. Intel's forthcoming Sandy Bridge processor and AMD's Bulldozer processor will widen the gap between chips designed by American companies and the Godson 3B.

However, China's chip-making capabilities are improving quickly. Intel's Xeon processor uses a 32-nanometer process (meaning the smallest components can be formed on this scale), while the Godson 3B uses 65 nanometers, leading to significantly slower processing speeds. But the Godson 3C processor will leapfrog current technology by using a 28-nanometer process, although this will only increase its clock speed by about a factor of two, estimates Halfhill. With its eight additional cores, this should make the 3C about four times as fast as the Godson 3B.

Hu, lead architect of the Godson project, said via e-mail that China's Dawning 6000 supercomputer, originally slated for completion in mid-2010, will instead debut in 2011, using the Godson 3B. Halfhill calculates that the Dawning supercomputer will use CPUs that are slower than fastest Intel chips. However, it could still rank on the Top 500 list of the 500 fastest supercomputers in the world--a significant coup for China's fledgling electronics industry. "Just getting into the Top 500 with a native processor is a worthy accomplishment," says Halfhill.

The Loongson processor is based on the MIPS instruction set, the basic commands that a microprocessor understands. In contrast, Intel and AMD processors are based on the x86 instruction set. Engineers at China's Institute of Computing Technology (ICT) have added more than 300 instructions to the MIPS instruction set in the latest generation of the Loongson processor, and most are devoted to vector processing, a technique for processing data in parallel that can speed operations like graphics and scientific processing. The Dawning 6000 would mark the first time a MIPS-based supercomputer has appeared in the Top 500 list since 2004.

The ongoing development of the Loongson processor family is good news for Stanford-based MIPS Technologies, which licenses the MIPS instruction set and competes with the x86, ARM, and IBM Power architectures. "It's our view that the ICT team and the MIPS instruction set are in a leading position for the [Chinese] government-driven national processor effort," says Art Swift, vice president of marketing at MIPS.

At the low end of the Godson family of processors, the new 2H chip is an incremental improvement compared to previous chips in the Godson 2 series, says Halfhill. According to Hu, the chip is designed for netbooks, other mobile devices, low-powered PCs and embedded systems.

An important factor for the Godson 2 series has been the porting of Google's Android operating system (used in smart phones, and in some tablets and netbooks) to the MIPS instruction set, says Swift, who adds that ICT engineers were very active in that effort. "The uptake of Android in China was phenomenal; they were way ahead of everyone else, and the whole rest of the field has followed," Swift says.

Hu has emphasized in the past that a primary goal of ICT's "national processor" effort is the creation of an affordable chip that can help bring China out of the industrial age and into the information age.

"I think what they're really after is a national processor that is broadly used and displaces the Intel monopoly," says Swift.

Displacing the Intel monopoly does not necessarily mean displacing the Windows monopoly, however. Despite ICT's emphasis on Android and open-source software, the Loongson family includes many instructions designed to speed up emulation of the x86 instruction set, and the Microsoft architecture team attended Hu's presentation at Hot Chips, according to Swift. "I wouldn't rule out this being a great Windows processor at some point," he says.

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-21 01:36 編輯
next time read before you post, Peter.
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-6-20 23:30


I guess you should STFU if you do not understand the difference between CPUs architectural design and instruction sets.

I read many related articles about Chinese CPUs, written by international experts.

China's CPU architecture is based on Chinese design. They are just compatible with MIPS, but the design is totally Chinese.
Just like AMD cpu and Intel cpu are different designs, but can run softwares written for the same instruction sets.

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-21 10:36 編輯
No doubt loongson is Chinese developed, but why the hell you need to use such a stupid excuse to bash The other?
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-6-21 06:02


Now that you admit Loongson is Chinese developed, this discussion is now closed.

You people are the ones who use every excuse to bash the Chinese, your own kind.

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-21 11:41 編輯
Chinese development?! reverse engineering, copy, reproduce. 研發... 研究他人成品, 發揮A貨本色

You a ...
satil 發表於 2011-6-21 10:37


Please stop your stupid anti-Chinese rhetoric. If you don't know Chinese CPUs you should STFU.

You can just go to EE Times and talk to the people there about Chinese CPUs.

Don't be a frog in the well.

Chinese Godson 3c, 16-core version 32nm

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4200587/AMD-x86-cores-Hot-Chips

Rick Merritt
6/23/2010 8:07 PM EDT
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Two other papers will give insights into China's growing silicon design sophistication.

The Chinese Academy of Sciences will detail the Godson 3c, a 16-core version of the China-grown processor based on the Mips64 instruction set. The new version, also known as the GS464V, includes 512-bit vector processing extensions and is made in 32nm technology.

"It's a big jump for them" compared to the previous four-core, 65nm version of Godson, said Renau.

"From what we saw in the abstract, they are aiming at video streaming and supercomputers because they are running benchmarks like Linpack and getting more than half a teraflop performance per chip with high energy efficiency for large scale systems," he said.

"I am envious they have so many students to develop a project like that," Renau added.

China's Dawning Computer recently designed the world's second fastest supercomputer using Intel Xeon and Nvidia graphics chips. Designers at Dawning said the company's next system will use the new Godson part.

In networking, China's Huawei Technologies will detail its work on a packet forwarding processor for routers that uses a novel memory technology.

"Huawei is becoming big in China, and competitive with Cisco Systems in some respects," said Renau. "This is one of the first times they are talking about something a couple years out," he said.

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-21 11:43 編輯
I hope every Japs jet fighter is equipped with NEC chips.

As an ex-NEC Electronics employee, I ...
fy789 發表於 2011-6-21 11:00

NEC recently folded their PC unit.

China's Lenovo took control of NEC's ex-PC unit.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20110122a1.html

Saturday, Jan. 22, 2011
NEC to let Lenovo take helm of PC unit
Kyodo News

NEC Corp. and China's Lenovo Group Ltd. are in final talks to tie up in the personal computer business to enhance their global presence, an NEC source said Friday.

The alliance of the two firms, which command the top share in their respective domestic PC markets, would likely result in Lenovo taking a majority stake in NEC Personal Products Ltd., a wholly owned NEC subsidiary that manufactures and markets PCs, by the end of this year, the source said.

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唉! 又現無品本色, 扣帽子, 抺黑.... 人身攻擊.
satil 發表於 2011-6-21 11:46


Have you recently worked in any research in electronics engineering?

Chinese Chip Closes In on Intel, AMD

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/26596/?a=f

China may finally have a processor to power a homegrown supercomputer.

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-21 11:57 編輯
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!

Peter, don't say this openly here !!!!!!!!

A lot of fake-we ...
fy789 發表於 2011-6-21 11:47

hahaha, you mean the anti-China bashers don't know China's Lenovo took control of NEC pc unit?
yeah, it sure hurt the pride of these Japan supporters.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20110122a1.html

Saturday, Jan. 22, 2011
NEC to let Lenovo take helm of PC unit
Kyodo News

    NEC Corp. and China's Lenovo Group Ltd. are in final talks to tie up in the personal computer business to enhance their global presence, an NEC source said Friday.

    The alliance of the two firms, which command the top share in their respective domestic PC markets, would likely result in Lenovo taking a majority stake in NEC Personal Products Ltd., a wholly owned NEC subsidiary that manufactures and markets PCs, by the end of this year, the source said.

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I mean they cannot accept the fact China has $$$ to do R&D now, while the western
countries are d ...
fy789 發表於 2011-6-21 11:56

But they are Chinese themselves, so they should be happy with rapid improvement in China. Sometimes it just baffles people, why these LYK, who are Chinese, are so self-hating.

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-21 14:02 編輯
回復  peter236

me in electronic and computer business (software development, hardware solution, co ...
satil 發表於 2011-6-21 12:00

I was just wondering if you have a research degree in electrical and electronics engineering.

If you don't have sufficient education background, you can still talk to the people at EE Times or Technology Review(published by MIT), to learn more about the latest Chinese CPU development.

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Well if fujitsu Chip using SPARC is considered as a "America design"
Then why All Godson chip which  ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-6-21 15:39


hahaha, the difference is that the Japanese bought the whole SPARC architectural design from the Americans. This shows the Japadogs don't know how to design themselves.
The Chinese CPU is compatible with MIPS. But the design is totally Chinese. The people at MIPS are not complaining at all.

Just like AMD and Intel, are different deigns, but are both compatible with the same x86 software.

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