peter236

There are 50+ states in US,
and they have been doing alright for
200 years. Are they falling apart y ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-9 19:51

There is no need for China to have federalism, since each province is already part of China.
As you know, there are separatists in Xinjiang.
So while democracy is good for China, federalism will weaken China's democratic government.
You can have democratic elected prime minister, provincial premier and city mayors for China, but only fools would indiscriminately introduce federalism to China.

peter236

Since when does Red China has "democratic government"?

Democratic elected PM, governors, mayors, ar ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 00:45

You stupid moron~~

When did I say China is democratic now? Not all democratic countries in the world have federalism.
When China does have democracy, that does not mean there is a need for federalism.

You are such a stupid moron, who can't even read properly?

peter236

#26
You can have democratic elected prime minister, provincial premier and city mayors for China,

I ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 08:05

When China does have democracy, that does not mean the CCP will not exist. It is a matter of whether people will vote some of their candidates. The CCP will most likely change their name or split into various parties, representing left, middle, or right of the society. Whichever party they elect, the government will still be controlled by the Chinese people.

Even in Canada, there is communist party but no one vote for them and they have very few candidates.

To implement federalism you have to first split China into various countries and then allow each province to decide whether to join the Chinese federation. This will weaken all the provinces of China as many provinces will have smaller population then Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Phillippines, Indonesia etc. The provinces by themselves cannot compete as effectively against all these other Asian countries.

peter236

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sheep 發表於 2010-12-10 13:23

Even the NDP and Liberal parties of BC have several factions in each.

peter236

You are quite correct that the 2 cases are similar in that both persons crossed the bottom lines of ...
Lik 發表於 2010-12-10 13:25

Mr Lik, you need to learn more about Tibet. Dalai Lama 大西藏區自治, clearly includes parts of Yunnan, Qinghai and Guizhou province. He is way more ambitious then you think. Once you give him autonomous region, he will then ask for total independence.

peter236

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Have you ever seen it happened in USA, Germany and Switzland?
A government that doe ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 13:38

You are such a moron that does not even know what is being discussed here.
All of us support democracy for China, but not necessarily federalism.

I agree with you on democracy, but China does not necessarily need federalism. Since a weakened Chinese central government will reduce the levarage of China when dealing with the US. Not all democratic countries in the world are federal.

Which province will take back Diaoyu Islands? Fujian province? Is Fujian province alone strong enough to deal with Japan?

How about Spratlys islands? Hainan province? Is Hainan province strong enough to deal with Vietnam and Phillippines which have much larger population?

When China does have democracy, that does not mean the CCP will not exist. It is a matter of whether people will vote some of their candidates. The CCP will most likely change their name or split into various parties, representing left, middle, or right of the society. Whichever party they elect, the government will still be controlled by the Chinese people.

Even in Canada, there is communist party but no one votes for them and they have very few candidates.

To implement federalism you have to first split China into various countries and then allow each province to decide whether to join the Chinese federation. This will weaken all the provinces of China as many provinces will have smaller population then Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Phillippines, Indonesia etc. The provinces by themselves do not have the financial power and levarage to compete as effectively against all these other Asian countries.

peter236

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I don't even want to argue with you,
when did I ever say that China needed to becom ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 22:29

I was just talking to you as a friend. It was not intended as an argument at all. I was just saying beware of western powers trying to use federalism to weaken China by divide-and-conquer.