B2L2

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-12 23:20 發表


You don't want to change Canada.  Then accept it?

Why are you so angry about what's happening?  What I posted are from newspapers and other sources.
Why do you blame me?

After so long and you still don't understand.  Everything is just from the misleading title you put up on that topic.  The title you put up wasn't quoted from newspaper and other sources, you MADE it up.  At beginning, nobody was blaming you and asking you to correct that.  Your reply simply said that local newspaper use the same "concept" of "assumption", and so you could do the same.  This is obviously wrong and that's what everybody go against.

Why we have to discuss this topic over and over again.

B2L2

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-13 23:23 發表
My title?  Well, that's called "Media Sensationalism".

Google that term.

Thanks for teaching me a new phrase, and Google / Wiki does excellent job in explaining what it means.  LYK, please excuse me to "quote" form Wiki:

Sensationalism: "In the extreme case, the media would report the news if it makes a good story, without much regard for the factual accuracy."

Thanks Toppy for admitting what he did, finally.  Cheers.

B2L2

IHO, stating a bunch of "terms" and copy&paste those news / researches is not good to bring your points across here.  All the info you posted, I consider, were baised.  (You could said that I am wrong and I know you're going to do that.)  But how could we convince you that's not true?  People told you their "live" stories which are different than what you pointed out.  People asked whether do you have any personal incident but you never said anything.  Instead you went back to quote more links and a new circle starts.  That's not discussion.

You could said that people's swearing on your threads (which I don't support) and stopped your message.  But, honestly, when I filter out all the swearing words, all your posts are quite meaningless but keep repeating yourself.  When are you going to stop, or at least change your not so working style?

Please don't assume you know better than other people, and please don't assume what you know is always the truth and others are wrong.  Please don't assume when nobody reply to your message, then what you said immediately becomes truth.  Please don't call people ignorance when they don't agree with you.  Please accept using CAP and BIG letters are rude.  Please stop calling you're stating fact when you're not.  Please don't ask people to meet people outside "Chinatown" when they already doing that 99.9% of their time.

You came here to pick for a fight (I consider) and so you got what you want.  You don't have my mercy.  I again don't support how some people treat you here.  I support speech freedom, so you could continue whatever you want to do.  All I want is that LYK turns back into a health forum, which it wasn't for the pass few weeks and you're not contributing.

Finally, please just ignore those swear words to you and have a happy day.

B2L2

See you never listen.

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-17 01:40 發表
For the first paragraph, my response is:
群眾論據（argumentum ad populum）：論據訴諸感性的弱點，而非事實和原因，旨在煽動群眾的支持。
無知論據（argumentum ad ignorantiam）：誤導性的論據，倚仗於人們的無知。
小眾統計（statistics of small numbers）：類似監視下的選擇。（例如：我的父母吸了一世煙，但他們從未患過癌症。又例如：我不管其他人如何講 Toyota，我的 Toyota 卻從未發生過問題。）只指出少量有利數據，與整體機會並無關係。〔譯註：把 Yugo 改成 Toyota 使更易明白〕

1) Quoting many terms doesn't help to bring your points across and quoting terms don't make you right.  Yes, please explain.

原帖由 Toppy
When you say it is biased, which part?  The news about a guy was beat up on the street.  What's so biased in that?  The same with home invasion or car break-in.  Are they biased because it doesn't happen to me ever in Vancouver.  Because it doesn't happen to me, there is no home invasion or car break-in or gun violence in Vancouver?  Do you people see the logic in that?  I posted new links to show there are other occurences regardless of whether it happened to me or not.  

2) Please don't assume what you know is always the truth.  You posts are biased because "you" cherry pick what you want to support you.  Re-using your example, you quoted home invasion / car break-in new reports and then trying to "convince" us that there are home invasion / car break-in at every single corner in the city.  What's your logic in that?

Nobody ever disagree that racism happened in our life.  I never saw anyone LYK said Vancouver has no racism.  I believe we all know and experienced racism before, and racism happened in ourselves as well.  Please don't repeat your mistake and keep assuming how you know other people think.

原帖由 Toppy
Filtering out the swearings?  You filtered out THEIR SWEARINGS but listen to every word about my response to their swearings?  Look at what I said earlier.  I am beginning to see why some people don't understand the message.  Because you seem to think, if something doesn't happen to you, it doesn't happen in real life--home invasion and car break-in, for example.  How do I explain to you people that there are indeed home invasion and car break-in property crimes in Vancouver?  But since you have never encoutered property crimes in Vancouver and therefore think it doesn't happen? Tell me.  

3) Please don't assume.  You simply think too much but don't listen.  Bubblesalt said we don't need you to "teach" us because we already know what's going on in our life, and it isn't the same as what you want to convince us.  Keep repeating doesn't help to make us believe.  How do you know we aren't fighting for our right?  You assumed again.

原帖由 Toppy
I don't want to assume anything.  But reading what I have written so far?  What do you think?  Just about the home invasion and car break-in.

Let's discuss home invasion and car break-in property crimes.  Maybe it is easier for you to understand why people here failed to understand my message.

So are you reading what I have written so far?  Do you think you assumed too much?  If I post 200 old messages of home invasion / car break-in today, will that make you think home invasion / car break-in is going to happen to you tomorrow immediate?  That's what you're doing here, and that's what we don't agree.

原帖由 Toppy
I came to pick a fight?  I visited many other places online.  Everyone told me the same story--living in Canada stories with colored minorities.

Only here, a place of hong-niggers to hide, people have reacted like that.

I don't want to "copy and paste" to show you where other places are.  Because accroding to you, other places don't exist.

So every single one told you their racism stories because of their colored in Vancouver?  And nobody tell you a single opposite story except here?  If that fourm does exist, please tell us.  Please don't copy/paste since you are the baised one.  Just give us the site and LYK will go there to post our opposite story to educate people.

[ 本帖最後由 B2L2 於 2009-2-17 02:46 編輯 ]

B2L2

Toppy, my last reply since you know exactly what you're behaving and choose to continue.  I will let you continue since I support speech freedom.

What you said sum up pretty well.
1) 只指出少量有利數據，與整體機會並無關係。
2) 誤導性的論據，倚仗於人們的無知
3) 論據訴諸感性的弱點，而非事實和原因，旨在煽動群眾的支持

So please don't upset when there is no "無知的人們" from LYK to support your "非事實和原因" 的 discussion, because what you said is "誤導性的論據" and "與整體機會並無關係".

We have a different logic obviously.  However, that doesn't mean your logic is right and my logic is wrong.  Please don't assume.  

Have a nice day, all LYK.