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我可以講句嗎? 我認為, 粗口與否, 只可以代表一個人表面上既修養, 但內心真正既修養, 係要從行為看出來.
多數偽君子都係出口成文, 講既野好聽, 順耳, 有禮, 並不代表有內容.

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我唔知住係香港既人點睇, 我呢個旁觀者, 就覺得香港正瀰漫一種少做少錯, 唔做唔錯, 樣樣跟指引, 無人願意承擔既文化. 呢種自以為好醒既自保心態, 只會令香港沉淪.

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另外, 長毛既粗口, 係口沒遮攔, 還是真正反映現實, 呢個先至係重點.

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"立法會 is a place to work"... really?  tell me what have they achieve?  
What I see of 立法會 is doing now is the government uses the pro-china allies to prevent any laws passed that unfavorite to the government.  Instead of really THINK about what law should be setup for general public for better life.

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講粗口係言語暴力既一種﹐我個人某程度上也崇尚暴力﹐ 所以覺得平時講粗口無咩唔妥。
但開會討論辯論係講求以理服人﹐若夾雜著暴力﹑講粗口鬥大聲﹐只會令整個會議變得無意義~
唔知加拿大國會開會時D議員會唔會唔夠 ...
soli 發表於 2009-3-30 10:24


I agree with you when in the situation that the legistration consel is functioning as it supposed to do, and the government is working for general public, instead of rich wealthy businessmen & corporations.

And what if when you try to 以理服人 so many years, but the government is just think that you are stupid and ignore you because you are not in the high rank of society?
Tell me, what will you feel? what will you do? and again, same question if you have people supporting you but they are suffering because of the cold-blooded government?  don't have to answer this right away.  try to think and feel.  what else you can do?

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I would be suprised if u can find ANY government that is NOT cold-blood
chunsh 發表於 2009-3-30 11:40

that's why I fxxk most of the governments.

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I know tongtong is a 仆街, but barking in the council cannot help anything, right?
chunsh 發表於 2009-3-30 12:31


better than those members who didn't say, didn't care, didnt bark, didn't do anything..

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too bad, all government is the same
why dont u go to some place that without government.
chunsh 發表於 2009-3-30 14:09


I want. if I am very wealth, I will buy an island and establish a state that has limited # of rules.    I called it Evil Island. or Freedom Island.  you want to join in?

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Are you saying members of parliaments in the world should bark in the legislature? Most governments in the world are quite inept. You are just making excuse for mad dog Wong and long hair guy.
peter236 發表於 2009-3-30 14:29


hahahaha  have you ever watched the Canadian parliment discussion live? haaha Of course, no fxxk.. but BS ar..etc  or VERY VERY loud interruption is not abnormal.
Same as Jap.  open your eyes la.  Don't blindly believe what you believe in.

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本帖最後由 rainbow-davie 於 2009-3-30 15:08 編輯

It is a very meaningful article I want to share.  From Ming Pao:


李克賢﹕社民連粗暴行為 對港政局的啟示          2009年3月31日
廣 告

【明報專訊】社民連立法會議員的粗暴行為計有向政府官員「擲蕉」,搶奪財政司長曾俊華的文件,最近又以粗言穢語辱罵政府官員。香港社會普遍難以接受社民連過於激烈的行為,特別是在議會內。因為一場場鬧劇只會干擾到會議的進行,對於監察政府及爭取民主可說是沒有任何幫助。

何以會獲部分選民支持?

當初社民連參選的時候,就以「沒有抗爭,哪有改變」為口號。很明顯,社民連所爭取的票源是一些激進的人士。將「抗爭」帶入議會,自然是社民連繼續爭取票源的做法。在批評社民連的時候,我們有否想到,何以一個政黨需要用粗暴或嘩眾取寵的行為來爭取選票,又何以這樣的行為會獲得部分選民支持呢?

問題正在於香港的政治制度。香港的政黨在立法會內的權力有多大,角色有多重,相信大家都很清楚。各政黨幾乎是被排除於制定政策的機制之外,香港政黨沒有可能用政策來吸引選民的支持。現下不論民主派或建制派,都覑眼發展地區網絡,提供地區服務。社民連的激進行動之所以有市場,不就是反映了部分選民對現時政治制度的不滿嗎?

再講,就是社民連不搞事,會議順利進行,亦不見得立法會議員可有效反映民意,制衡政府。政府出台的政策表面上是要經立法會審批,但議員的議價能力在行政主導的體制下畢竟有限,加上特首對政黨的親疏有別政策,很多市民的訴求根本沒有完全地反映於立法會內。各黨派議員進入議會後亦需要為自己的支持度及票源設想,既然無法改變政府的政策,就只好召集市民到立法會門外請願抗議,或以「出位」的言論向政府官員責備一番,向選民展示出一個已盡力而為的困境,算是有所交代。其實社民連的粗暴行為與其他政黨所做的是如出一轍,只不過是手段不同而已。

憂社會看不見港政制缺陷

現時筆者最擔心的是,香港社會只看到社民連的錯,而看不見香港政治制度的缺陷。特別是政府官員是受害者的形象已深入民心,社民連的錯很容易被理解為個別的立法會議員行為不端,就此了事。更甚者,社民連的粗暴行為可能會被建制或保守派人士用作藉口,指普選所有立法會議員或擴大民主只會出現更多類似社民連的政黨或議員,為香港帶來麻煩。又或者是,從社民連的事件可以看出香港根本未有成熟的條件進行普選云云。

選票,個人或政黨的支持度似乎是社民連屢次發難的原因,但背後隱藏覑的是一個結構問題。站在道德高地的特首及政府官員除了對議員的粗暴行為採取「零容忍」的政策外,又是否可以向北京爭取全面開放政治制度,從根本地改善政府與議員之間的矛盾呢?

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