Lik

You think I am not aware of most of the things you've just said? However, you are incorrect on certain accounts.

An even better example of Mandarin taking over local dialects is Shenzhen. With industrialization and the vast volumes of both migrant workers and non-local people, Mandarin has by far taken over as the dominant language in Shenzhen even though it is located right next to the last two Cantonese strongholds (HK and GZ). At a lot of places in Shenzhen, you won't even be understood anymore if you only speak Cantonese.

The problems that I have repeatedly outlined is the fact that:
1) authorities are using dirty tactics to undermine the local languages and dialects
2) because of #1, youngsters are becoming unable to speak their local and native language. This is especially true in Shanghai, and is also where you have so conveniently neglected to mention.

BC is primarily an English-speaking province. But do you see the provincial or federal government imposing the rule that no one can speak languages other than English when they are at school or even at work?! or even during the break time and things? Society flourishes not because of active government intervention attempts at river crabbing everybody; it flourishes because it is a mosaic of different ideas interacting with each other and improving upon one another. Mandarin, Shanghaiese, Cantonese, Hakka, etc. are all rich in their own way. As a Cantonese speaker, I will also tell you that Cantonese is superior to Mandarin in many different ways while simultaneously being inferior in others. For authorities to stick its hands in and intervene is WRONG!

80% of the GZ people are against the move eliminate Cantonese from television programs, but certain government bodies and officials think they know better. Haven't we seen all this before again and again?

-Lik

Lik

真係唔明點解咁都可以扯到去中共頭上... 真係 - 無話可說
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-7-12 23:16

老友，你唔識野最少都聽吓書、用吓腦啦～ 全國政協係唔係老共嘅人呀？做得校長嘅，點都同黨有啲關係呀？

Second, do you mind to share your thoughts with us? Let’s say we are now in 1950 the time CCP just took over China and people in different regions of China only speak their own dialects and majority of them cannot communicate with people from other places. If you are the national education minister, what will you do? Will you make mandarin the standard language to be taught in schools or encourage all regions to continue teaching local dialects?

I give you a real life example. One time, one of our colleagues took a long distance bus in China. Two people from the same province sitting beside him kept talking to each other in mandarin. He was curious and asked them why they would speak mandarin to each other instead of their own dialect. They told them him that they are from different parts of the province and the dialects are different. Therefore, mandarin is the only language they can communicate with each other.

Does this real life example give you an inspiration?
rockypath 發表於 2010-7-12 23:26

Knowing what I know now, if I were the national education minister, the first thing I'd do is to keep a close eye on Murderer Mao...

Your example is meaningless, because there can be any number of sensible routes:

1) pick a most common language and adopt that as the official language -- this is what China has done
2) pick two or more common languages and use that as the official language -- this is what Canada and Hong Kong has done
3) pick multiple languages as the official language and just live with it -- this is what many European countries have done

Note that choice number 1 is not always ideal. Canada, Hong Kong, and Euope are all running perfectly fine with multiple languages as the official languages. Of course, with the typical 中國大一統 mindset, nothing other than #1 would be satisfactory for the Great Leaders~

If you really support the preservation of local dialects, you wouldn't have said all the crap that you said in this thread.

-Lik

Lik

你都幾用腦架woh, 可惜用腦過度, 諗親大陸野都鑽牛角尖.

人地校長係全國政協, 咁就要做d 野討好共產黨?  ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-7-13 00:22

大佬，你唔知頭唔知路我真係唔該你睇吓新聞，睇吓件全國政協提議咗啲乜野先好返來同我哋講啦...

亂Q咁插嘴，但又對到錯晒...

-力

Lik

香港著名编剧萧若元在微博上表示，粤语有保留价值，原因有三：一，它与客家话及闽南语，是最接近古汉语的中国方言；二，粤语的音韵，能念出古文、古诗的神韵，北京话反为不能；三，粤语的生命力顽强，对外来语有甚高的包容性。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-7-13 02:46

Mr. Siu's 捍衛粵語、正體字/ 中文字的演化 program:

http://us1.hkreporter.com/files/new/sea_2010-07-08_2_a579.mp3

-Lik

Lik

WHAT? "香港著名编剧萧若元"??? HK famous 爛人 萧若元  would be more appropriate to describe this jx ...
samsung 發表於 2010-7-13 09:59

Idiot... do a little homework before shooting your mouth off la~

http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh/%E8%90%A7%E8%8B%A5%E5%85%83

創作電視劇

1977年：大丈夫
1977年：大家姐與大狂魔
1978年：鱷魚淚
1978年：浣花洗劍錄
1979年：奇女子
1979年：沈勝衣
1979年：天蠶變
1979年：俠盜風流
1979年：天龍訣
1979年：大白鲨
1979年：怒劍鳴
1980年：浮生六劫
1980年：湖海爭霸錄
1980年：大地恩情
1980年：風塵淚
1980年：彩雲深處
1980年：太極張三豐
1980年：小小心願
1981年：大控訴
1981年：女媧行動
1981年：大昏迷
1981年：遊俠張三豐
2002年：齊天大聖孫悟空
2002年：法內情2002
2004年：功夫足球


[编辑]電影

午夜麗人
急凍奇俠
公子多情
三狼奇案
法內情
法內情大結局
英雄好漢
江湖情
玉蒲團之偷情寶鑑
鹿鼎記
鹿鼎記II 神龍教
飛女正傳
武壯元蘇乞兒
藍江傳之反黑組風雲
絕代雙嬌
跛豪
歲月風雲之上海皇帝
上海皇帝之勇霸天下
唐伯虎點秋香
偷天換日
逃學威龍３龍過雞年
倚天屠龍記


監製

省港旗兵續集兵分兩路 (1987)
法內情 (1988)
月亮 星星 太陽 (1988)
公子多情 (1988)
三狼奇案 (1989)
急凍奇俠 (1989)
法內情大結局 (1989)
省港旗兵第三集 (1989)
省港旗兵4 (1990)
跛豪 (1991)
玉蒲團之偷情寶鑑 (1991)
絕代雙驕 (1992)
武狀元蘇乞兒 (1992)
戰龍在野 (1992)
鹿鼎記II神龍教 (1992)
鹿鼎記 (1992)
飛女正傳 (1992)
藍江傳之反飛組風雲 (1992)
黑豹 (1993)
秘密檔案之殺馬行動 (1993)
飛狐外傳 (1993)
搭錯情人上錯床 (1993)
上海皇帝之雄霸天下 (1993)
一九四九之劫後英雄傳 (1993)
逃學威龍Ⅲ之龍過雞年 (1993)
黃鶯大戰阿拉丁 (1993)
歲月風雲之上海皇帝 (1993)
唐伯虎點秋香 (1993)


故事

午夜麗人 (1986)
一代梟雄之三支旗 (1993)

演員
毀滅號地車 (1983)


策劃

卒仔抽車 (1982)
毀滅號地車 (1983)
行錯姻緣路 (1984)
歡場 (1985)
午夜麗人 (1986)
江湖情 (1987)
英雄好漢 (1987)
盡訴心中情 (1988)
火舞風雲 (1988)
省港旗兵第三集 (1989)
急凍奇俠 (1989)
現代靚妹仔 (1993)
執行監製
省港旗兵續集兵分兩路 (1987)
公子多情 (1988)


編劇

卒仔抽車 (1982)
有Friend冇驚 (1984)
午夜麗人 (1986)
英雄好漢 (1987)
江湖情 (1987)
鬼新娘 (1987)
公子多情 (1988)
法內情 (1988)
盡訴心中情 (1988)
月亮 星星 太陽 (1988)
急凍奇俠 (1989)
省港旗兵第三集 (1989)
三狼奇案 (1989)
法內情大結局 (1989)
省港旗兵 4地下通道 (1990)
跛豪 (1991)
飛女正傳 (1992)
歲月風雲之上海皇帝 (1993)
飛狐外傳 (1993)
上海皇帝之雄霸天下 (1993)
一九四九之劫後英雄傳 (1993)
一代梟雄之三支旗 (1993)

Lik

ps, what's mean by "shooting your mouth off" ar? I dun un ar  ...
samsung 發表於 2010-7-13 10:31

You know, given how xxxxxx you are, I really wouldn't be surprised if you have no idea what the saying means. And no, it doesn't mean somebody taking a gun to shoot and blow your mouth into smithereens~

-Lik

Lik

Hmm... interesting posts I found here:


and

http://bbs.city.tianya.cn/tianyacity/Content/5004/1/210.shtml

鄙人于05年毕业于暨大，现于美国深造，近日在中国网站上看到我广东同胞遭到无数低素质之人的口诛笔伐，便想写点东西，由于长时间没有用中文写作，若出现语法及用词方面的错误，请大家原谅：
　　
　　发改委对广东和长三角项目批复情况对比表
　　广东 批复状况 ：
　　　　广佛地铁 尚未完全批准,但已经动工
　　　　皇岗口岸对接香港轨道交通 否决
　　　　韶梅铁路 否决
　　　　珠港澳大桥 尚未批复
　　 广珠高铁 否决
　　　　深圳环球乐园 否决
　　　　深厦铁路 否决
　　　　广深四线 批准用了4年.
　　　　广珠轻轨 尚未批复,但已经部分动工
　　　　广州七号线 否决
　　　　广州九号线 否决
　　　　广韶高铁 否决
　　　　深圳二号线 批准用了3年
　　　　深圳四号线延长线 否决
　　　　广肇动车组铁路 否决
　　　　雷诺汽车项目 对方选定广州,被发改委建议武汉
　　　　佛山地铁 否决
　　　　深中大桥 可行性分析未通过,否决
　　　　深圳机场扩建工程 批准
　　长三角：
　　　　南京地铁所有申请线路 全部批准
　　　　上海地铁申请的所有线路 全部批准
　　　　沪杭磁悬浮 批准,但德国谈判破裂
　　　　上海迪士尼 批准,但美国方面尚未反应
　　　　杭州地铁 批准,但耗时4年
　　　　宁波地铁 否决
　　　　杭温高铁 批准
　　　　上海大型民用飞机项目 批准
　　　　苏州地铁 批准
　　　　苏州轻轨 批准
　　　　杭州湾大桥 批准,已经基本完工
　　　　苏通大桥 批准,已经基本完工
　　　　洋山港大桥 批准
　　　　洋山港项目 批准
　　　　宁杭铁路 批准
　　
　　看到上面的情况，我为广东感到无奈，广东交了全国7分之1的税,注意是国税,长三角的高速公路网可是广东人出了7分之一的，上海的面子工程广东人可是出了7分之一的。而广东的基础建设却全部要自己掏腰包.广州市钱不够，要以20年的地方财政收入去世界银行做抵押来建个地铁和高架，怪不得人人都说广州的市容不好。这些在长三角是不可想象的，想想都郁闷，国家在为保持长三角竞争力连磁浮都给你们准备好了,哪怕是浪费。广东却是只吃草的奶牛，独立自强的不受宠。江浙人跑广东来拿钱走还对广东人大说:南蛮，你们充其量就是暴发户，你们要富而思源（请问谁该思源呢）。说真的，国家拿去开发西部也就算了,扶持下困难兄弟,没什么好说的,结果去拿去长三角造富.可怜的中西部的基础建设在那里呀? 前几年不是大喊开发西部吗？现在到底开发了什么？还有，别忘了我们很多粤北的兄弟还在挨穷！广东为保持地区竞争力的项目当然不批了,广东的钱什么时候国家又有需要拿去做贡献了。还有，一些无脑儿总喜欢说改革开放初期广东受到最好待遇，得到最多拨款，现在该还了，这根本就是弱智言论，当年邓老爷都说明了"中央没有钱，发展要靠你们开出一条血路。",不能否认当时在政策上的自由，但广东得到的财政收入从来没有凌驾于其他省份之上，今天广东的成就，都是我们父辈祖辈用血汗拼回来的！

　　这仅仅是对广东不公的冰山一角，广东一直受到三无人士（无知，无耻，无能）的诬蔑，岭南文化与中原文化大相径庭就被曲解为文化沙漠，饮食文化丰富多彩就被诽谤作什么都吃，商业文化博大精深就被丑化为势利小人，对于某些江浙人对经济贡献的颠倒黑白的丑态我已彻底无语，对于某些人中之渣无中生有的恶毒言论我已无法忍受。现在，我只能对你们说：你们都是广东未来的骨干，希望你们看完我的话后能做好每一件事，过好每一天，对自己负责，别再每天沉迷于对你未来毫无意义的网络游戏，别再在图书馆只顾打情骂俏，别再寄托于临考突击浪费父母一年又一年的学费......唯有积极进取，增抓实干才不至于丢掉祖先的脸，方能配得起你广东人的高贵身份！

Lik

掉哪媽！頂硬上！
Fxxk his mom! Hit the hard!

Lik

溫水煮蛙煮咗咁多年你都唔信咯，咁仲有咩好講？

我等食你呢煲田雞粥啦～

-力

Lik

Lik, you still have not answered my question directly.

If you are the minister of education, will you make mandarin the standard teaching language in school and promote the use of mandarin nationwide?
rockypath 發表於 2010-7-13 19:56

盲丙，唔該你睇清楚啲我之前個 post 先廢 up 啦～

there can be any number of sensible routes:

1) pick a most common language and adopt that as the official language -- this is what China has done
2) pick two or more common languages and use that as the official language -- this is what Canada and Hong Kong has done
3) pick multiple languages as the official language and just live with it -- this is what many European countries have done

Note that choice number 1 is not always ideal. Canada, Hong Kong, and Euope are all running perfectly fine with multiple languages as the official languages.
Lik 發表於 2010-7-13 00:08

As proven internationally, #2 and 3 are just as viable, if not more so, than #1. And even if option #1 were chosen, that doesn't mean only Mandarin needs to be promoted.

And had you actually opened your eyes to read a little, and opened your ears to listen a little, you would have known that youngers across the Guangdong province are already proficient in Mandarin. The existing Mandarin syllabus is already working well to teach them fluent Mandarin. There is absolutely zero need to enforce the Mandarin-only policy at school, and even less for eliminating it from the television unless some other hidden motives are there.

Stupid piece of trash keeps wasting my time...

-Lik