Lik

The same shameless accusations and justifications disguised under a pretense of rationality.

更不幸的是﹐「香港支聯會」將數以百萬元捐款帶到北京支持示威學生﹐在1989年﹐北京大學一級教授月薪只有67元人民幣﹐大部份示威學生口袋裡只有兩三元﹐從來未曾面對過這樣巨額捐款﹐因此很多學生不願離開天安門廣場﹐抱著等派錢的心態﹐令事態發展到不可收拾﹐使政府不得不採取清場行動﹐恢復社會秩序。

Feel free to insult yourself, but don't attempt to accuse 支聯會 and the students alike for greed that was never there in the first place. Doing so only makes you a more despicable person than you already are.

回故我國過去20年﹐由於改革開放及穩定的政治環境﹐大家少談政治多做事﹐使我國在經濟發展上取得驕人成就﹐人民生活得到很大改善。世界輪流轉﹐現在中國外匯儲備有兩萬多億美元﹐連美國都要求中國購買她們的債券。 在1989年﹐當時我國的外匯只有十幾億美元﹐而且還欠日本幾百億元外債﹐加上美國的圍堵﹐蘇聯對我國虎視眈眈。在外憂內困的環境下﹐如果當時沒有及時果斷地平息六四風波﹐整個社會就會陷入無休止的社會運動中﹐可能成為比民化大革命更壞的運動﹐就沒有今天的國富民強。

Again, the same spiel echoed by the CCP propaganda machine and 9up Bowtie alike. If June 4 wasn't suppressed, China's economy wouldn't be what it is today? Total bull****! Had reforms taken places, China wouldn't have lost 2 years to sanctions and international boycott, and the country would have flourished even more than it has today. Besides, when is it ever ok to murder your own citizens en masse in exchange for economic profits?!

Another shameless post from a shameless CCP dog...

-Lik

Lik

Just a hint for you -- look at the general election in Taiwan. Did you get the hint?
rockypath 發表於 2009-6-5 17:44

Funny how a 50 cents poster such as yourself is trying to use Taiwan as an example, because in my mind, Taiwan is a model example of how democracy and freedom has flourished. From the old authoritarian days of the Elder Chiang, Taiwan underwent reforms and turned itself into the flourishing democracy that it is now. Certainly their system is far from perfect at the moment, but it is vastly superior to what PRC can hope to become in the foreseeable future.

A full explanation of why Taiwanese democracy has taken huge strides forward would be much too difficult for you to understand. Suffice to say that under the Taiwanese democratic system, voters have thrown the ultra corrupt Ah Bien out of Office peacefully using the power of their ballots. Taiwanese people have a CHOICE of who they want to put into Office to serve them! Do Mainland Chinese citizens get to enjoy this right?!

More importantly, if you have any sort of understanding in Taiwanese history, you'll know what the 228 Incident is. In comparison to 6.4, it puts the CCP to even more shame! Long story short, the 228 incident developed from widespread riots, demonstrations, protests, etc. in Taipei, and in the end, the KMT army stepped in to suppress the protests. Thousands of citizens died in the suppression process, and the KMT have since been repeatedly slammed for the citizens' deaths.

Notice any similarities to 6.4 here? But guess what? 李登輝, the ROC President at the time, came out and issued an official apology to all victims of the 228 incident. Compensations were made out to surviving families of the victims, and Feb 28 is made into a national holiday to commemorate the victims.

That is what happened in Taiwan. The KMT has to admit their crimes and apologize because the democratic systems essentially would ensure their doom if they didn't. That is the power and value of democracy. Do you see the same thing happening in Mainland China with the CCP's one party rule?!

-Lik

Lik

Judging by the writing style and tone of the previous post, I highly suspect the above post is written by a different (and possibly higher ranked and more intelligent) 50 cents party member. But what do I know as an average Joe~

We can leave debate of whether economic stability must precede democracy for another day, but as the 3rd or 4th biggest economy in the World, China's economic prowess has certainly reach the stage where it can support social and political reforms. And the country is in dire need of political reforms because faults are bursting everywhere in the current system! Corruption is widespread and rampant. There are laws set out to govern the land but nobody (including the various levels of governments themselves) follows them. Fundamental humans rights are non-existent precisely when you need them to be there to protect you. The only thing China has is its vast economic prowess.

Simply put, today's China cannot follow the same slow pace that ROC was taking in Taiwan. The world is a different place -- a much faster place. People are better educated, much more sophisticated, and information travels at a pace that no one can even dream of back in the 40's. And PRC's problems are far more severe and in much direr need of addressing than ROC' problems 60 years ago.

Change certainly needs time, and I am not saying China needs to become a democracy overnight. But the smallest steps, as illustrated in Charter 2008 (零八憲章), can at least be put to start. But instead of heeding to this most sincere pledge, CCP decides to crack down on the authors of the Charter. The Mothers of Tiananmen and other victims have already waited for 20 years. How much longer do these victims have to wait?!

No amount of logical reasoning can be said to defend the CCP.

-Lik

Lik

You need to understand a type of general election reflects a much grater spectrum of economic, political and social aspects behind it. It reflects the economic strength, social structure, education level of its population, political structure, legal system, and much more of a country.

A goal is important but how to achieve the goal is even more critical.
rockypath 發表於 2009-6-6 03:25

Please read my previous post again:

Change certainly needs time, and I am not saying China needs to become a democracy overnight. But the smallest steps, as illustrated in Charter 2008 (零八憲章), can at least be put to start. But instead of heeding to this most sincere pledge, CCP decides to crack down on the authors of the Charter. The Mothers of Tiananmen and other victims have already waited for 20 years. How much longer do these victims have to wait?!
Lik 發表於 2009-6-6 02:11

The charter is not drafted by some foreign powers. Instead, it was written by Chinese scholars, activists, human rights advocates, well-known people in China, and supported and signed by tens of thousands of Mainland Chinese before it is "harmonized" by the CCP.

-Lik