Lik

Chobit,

I think I have written many times, both in this thread and in others, of what the CCP government could have done instead of firing live ammunition and rolling out tanks, so I am not going to repeat myself again. Suffice to say that had Elder Deng been willing to accept some concessions and suggestions from both the students and the milder factions within the Party, I am certain something would be worked out. But his own combination of fear, power-lust, and stubbornness caused him to make the totally incorrect decision that has forever tarnished his reputation.

-Lik

Lik

2nd that.  Improving the life quality even for just the basic needs is far more important at the moment.  What good is it, if people don't even have breads, or other basic medical supplies.  What good is democracy people live there actually suffer more..!
chobit 發表於 2009-6-9 11:43

Citizen's basic needs are more important at the moment, eh?

Then why do we have the aerospace program, the Olympic extravagance, the local government extravagance, the 3 Gorges dam construction, the Shanghai (Pudong) magnetic levitation high speed train, etc.? Among these gigantic projects, only the 3 Gorges damn construction is more relevant to the citizens' basic needs. And even then, critics have long argued that thousands of smaller scale waterworks projects would not only be easier and cheaper to do, but also more beneficial to a larger number of people while simultaneously being less disruptive.

Another thing you have forgotten is how democracy can hold officials accountable to the citizens, and this in turn ensures fairness and justice is served.

Sigh... I'm just wasting my time yapping away to the deaf...

-Lik

Lik

LOL~ Blowing gazillions' worth of dollars only to make several million back from the aerospace program? I'd love to see you going into business, Peter boy~

It is quite true that China used to be the greatest nation in the world in terms of economy (back in Tong, Hon, Qing dynasties for certain periods), in terms of absolute political power / influence (Yuen and arguably the Qing dynasty), and in terms of cultural influence (during Sung dynasty). However, technological leadership have long been surpassed since the Renaissance era, and while the absolute political power has been strong as late as the Qing dynasty, political systems and ideals have pretty much stayed in the stone ages.

It is a blatant lie that China's downfall was due to science, technology, and GDP. Rather, the core of the problem has always been the Chinese' stupid monarchy and absolute power system -- have a good emperor such as Hong Hey and the country flourishes. Once the great leader dies, the country is totally fxxked up. Whereas with Western countries (and Britain/the UK in particular), their parliamentary system guarantees that no leader will ever be that crappy -- if they were utterly incapable, voters wouldn't voted them into Parliament in the first place. Furthermore, the persistent view of the Emperor that the country is under his personal ownership and hence all peasants must be kept obedient is also a major contributing factor to the slave-like thinking that we see even today.

Politics and economy are invariably intertwined, but don't get the cause and effects mixed up. In any case, do you dare to say that today's China lacks the economic power of the 1700-era Britain?

Funny how idiots pretend they know stuff when they don't~

-Lik

Lik

We wouldn't have Bush if what you said is true =(  It's just another game they play....
chobit 發表於 2009-6-9 22:38 [url=http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost pid=106706&ptid=8538][/url]

GWB certainly did a lot of things wrong -- especially in his 2nd term. But the primary reason he got re-elected into his second term was his leadership through the 9-11 crisis during his first term. (The secondary reason was how poor a candidate Kerry was...)

If you are against GWB, you should see him as precisely why the the democratic system is working and far superior to the non-democratic system China has. US voters didn't like him, and they voted him and the GOP OUT! Had the US used anything that resembled the Chinese system, GWB would still be the commander in chief even though he is no longer the president, and he would continue to pull the strings behind the puppet president's back. (Incidentally, that is precisely what Putin is doing with their seemingly democratic system.) The exact same thing happened in Taiwan -- Ah Bien and the Green camp was promptly voted out by Taiwanese citizens. Do Mainland Chinese get to choose their own Chairman and Premier?

But the moment you looked back at the Chinese system, Emperor Jiang continued to hold power and major influence even after he "stepped down". The exact same thing happened with Elder Deng.

-Lik

Lik

Most people, including Lik, won't even read anything from those FLG people.
peter236 發表於 2009-6-9 23:25

Fa Lung Gung is certainly a bunch of BS, and most Epoch Time articles are as worthless as Peter's words as well. (中共邪黨？過億人退黨？ Gimme a break, man~) But just as Peter boy occasionally state a true fact or two, Epoch Time is no different. 張世軍's stories and the prosecutions he faces are well-known and have long been published by numerous news media.

Note to Peter boy -- don't try to dispute known facts because you'll only embarrass yourself.

-Lik

Lik

You moron, a large country like China needs to possess the technology of launching satellites. I already gave you many examples of commercial uses of satellites. The technology was already there sinc ...
peter236 發表於 2009-6-9 23:31

Doh~ Do your homework sin la~

China has long possess the technology for launching satellites -- they had the technology since the early 70's! If the Chinese aerospace program had the purpose you described, developments would have been far smaller, far simpler, and far less expensive than they are right now.

From what I can see, China's aerospace goals at the moment is to reliably launch and retrieve man-ed spacecrafts into orbit and back. Once the skills and technology are mastered, the primary applications will most likely be military in nature. As with all things "state-of-the-art" and military (state-of-the-art is in quotes b/c this is 40 year old US technology already), China's aerospace programs are literally money pits and financial black holes.

My stance is that the money could be much better spent by using it on practical infrastructure projects, education, healthcare, environmental protection, etc. that will actually bring practical and visible benefits to the average citizen. Investing in these categories will bring far greater benefits to China, in terms of quality of life, quality of people, the economy, etc.

China already has nuclear firearms. There is really no need to go any further than that in terms of advanced military equipment. Even if military developments were to proceed, the money could be better spent on improving the Chinese navy (and that's what the CCP has been doing as well).

-Lik