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BG,

You see, the difference is, here in Canada, the newspaper reports on such incidents, so the police forces are at least somewhat kept in check. And through the reporting, citizens know how corrupt the force can get. Whereas in HK, similar incidents certainly happened, but aside from non-mainstream channels, you don't even hear about them because the media has a tendency to "harmonize" themselves.

And here in Canada, at least there is an independent civilian review happening. I wish a similar thing would happen in HK.

And there you have it -- the difference between a democratic society and one that isn't.

-Lik

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力哥, 你幾時見過溫哥華D警察會係抄牌前周圍CALL個車主番來郁車, 唔覺意抄左牌之後又會比人指住個鼻, 媽足幾分鐘? 我o係香港就日日見...
香港傳媒的確有自我審查, 但係多數市民一早知道邊個傳媒歸邊一邊, 接受資訊時唔多唔少都會加左FILTER.
至於加拿大D警察...有無諗過如果波蘭佬件事發生o係香港會點處理?
ecwkwok 發表於 2010-7-7 00:38

郭師兄,

我從來都無講過話加拿大乜乜七七都係最好。RCMP, VPD等等其實都有好大嘅問題,Dziekanski 、之前有個華人俾 VPD打、令外一個響北溫飲醉咗就亂Q咁dup人同鎖人嘅差佬、同呢次 OPP G20嘅事就係最好嘅證明。

但係我會話,呢啲勉強都可以叫做個別事件,而當然其實佢地亦反映咗加拿大警隊裡面好多嘅不良文化(山頭主意、ol'boys club, power trip等等)。呢啲問題唔係唔嚴重,但香港特區公安嘅問題卻係更加大鑊。警隊 systematically 咁淪為政治打壓工具,言論自由同人權被侵蝕。響加國法律裡面,the Canadian Charter of Rights 係最高最受尊崇嘅法律,而法院亦會優先考慮 Canadian Charter of Rights 所保障嘅權利先過其他野。但偏偏特區公安所做嘅就正正係不斷咁去 violate Charter of Rights 裡面所保障嘅權利。

Dziekanski 事件如果響香港發生,我真係唔知道警察部會點處理,但警察主動同無理咁挑釁(示威、遊行、維權嘅)市民,使用過份暴力對待和平同合作嘅示威者等等嘅事卻係越來越常見。而最近嘅一次響政府總部定係特首官邸咁來推跌一個和平抗議嘅婆婆,搞到佢跌落地嵌親暈咗之後仲要唔俾民間醫療隊去醫治同照顧佢。呢單野真係好彩還神無事咋,如果唔係個婆婆有咩三長兩短嘅話,我保證件事一定比 Dziekanski 件事帶來更大嘅民憤。

-力

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HK newspapers do report such cases, dude.  Way faster, and way more bash too.  How can you blindly bash HK with lies?
Prelude 發表於 2010-7-7 02:01

大佬,邊個 report呀?就算係生果報,肥佬黎都睇吓係邊班人先選擇報唔報導、同點樣報導啦。五區公投果陣,班死差佬走去踩社記個街站,話開大聲公就算係襲警。成條片上咗 YouTube,香港人網就推到行晒㗎,但主流媒體又有無人報?大專2012響行人專用區做宣傳,又有差人埋來大聲夾惡咁話佢唔走就告佢阻街,好彩班大專生自己做過功課、事前問過法律意見,知道自己咁做無問題,先至識得大返條差佬轉頭。呢單野一樣有上 YouTube 同人網,主流媒體又有無報導?

阿陶、長毛示威嘅時候被告襲警,報紙有報導,但就好多時連問都唔問吓當事人就成篇故仔作晒出來,咁又點計?

要舉例嘅話仲大把有得講,但我費事同你呢啲廢柴徙時間喇~

-力

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HK/China never promoted themselves as democratic, never promoted themselves that they encourage po ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-7-7 12:39

香港嘅問題係日漸中國化,而中國嘅問題就係人治、無準則,當權果個話乜就係乜,就算白紙黑字寫晒出來都可以用「解釋」、「釋法」來打橫來講。明明有上訪基制俾人民申訴,但當你一想去上訪嘅話,佢唔係立即拉你返鄉下,就禁錮你響上訪村。如果 BG 你話阿爺係有 line 嘅話,我真係唔係好知道條 line 響邊處囉。總之係,殺人放火就金腰帶,修橋補路就無屍骸。

In the McCarthy era, things were certainly dark, but in this day and age, I'd say things have improved a lot. Of course, a lot of times, justice does not prevail either. But the problem is more related to a lack of resources (both monetary and otherwise) to pursue the complain process. Lawsuits can be lengthy, and costs of legal council is astronomical. But at least the system is in place, and for that, I am thankful. When I was in highschool, one of the highschool teachers was entangled with the ICBC over the settlement of an accident for 6 years. He felt that he has been wrongly accused, so he continued to fight for his innocence through the courts and won in the end. Do you know how appeals for lawsuits, esp criminal ones, are handled in China? I once read that upwards of 90% of the appeal cases stayed with the guilty verdict, with the entire appeal process merely taking a few hours to complete. Is this problematic or not?

For me at least, the news section isn't entirely a place to post news-worthy material for sharing and discussion. Instead, I think of it as a springboard or megaphone to draw attention to news issues that I find unjust. When unjust Canadian contents occurs, I post them up to kick and scream as well. The HST, the VPD beating on the Chinese fellow, Dziekanski, the corrupt Liberals and the scheming NDP (and even the bullying Conservatives). I live in Canada, and Canada is my country. Why would I not care about what's going on? It doesn't seem to receive as much attention in these boards simply because

1) there simply aren't as many thoroughly unjust incidents happening in Canada, and
2) when stuff happens, I take comfort in the fact that a reasonably decent system is in place to right the wrong

On the issues of tax dollars, yes, we all know that we're heavily taxed. But I certainly don't make enough to get taxed 50% (lucky you, BG ). Additionally, I honestly think we get a lot in return, in the form of government services and programs. Yes, things can certainly improve, and waste could certainly have been cut. But overall, Canada, an in particular, Vancouver, is an excellent place to live with a very high quality of life regardless of your social status and income levels. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about HK and China...

-Lik

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You moron, your Canadian protesters at G20 were brutal and they burned cars and shops. Your government wasted a billion $ on brutal security forces.
peter236 發表於 2010-7-7 16:08

And those agitators were subsequently arrested, with legal prosecutions to follow. Did I ever condone that sort of violent beheviour? Did I say the arrest of those mobs was inappropriate?

Moron~

-Lik

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LOL~

Dude, do you even know what is going on with the current Canadian economy? Do you know why interest rates are on the rise?

But hey, keep spewing your nonsense. It makes for a good laugh.

-Lik

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