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國內少數民族o係城市犯事,多數從輕發落,好多年來都係咁。
ecwkwok 發表於 2009-7-6 17:03

同意,呢個情況真係幾常見。

而與此同時,漢人嘅大漢族主意同響疆藏地區對原居民唔好,亦係鐵一般嘅事實。漢人一般比較有錢,財大氣粗呢家野我地自己都見唔少啦,而歧視、排外、用人為親就更加係屢見不鮮。當漢人地主導咗當地經濟之後原居民就覺得佢地啲外人入來賺晒佢地啲錢、霸晒佢地啲地、甘願去被同化/漢化就會無咗自己回族/藏族個 identity,而且一般亦唔會爬得太高,但唔去卑躬屈膝咁接受,就只會永無出頭。試問咁樣落去,種族仇恨又點會唔係越來越深?

-力

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大聲嗌獨立既人,唔一定真係想獨立既。 佢地咁做既原因,可能同呀咩師奶,咩太之流成日嗌離婚一樣,不外乎係想draw attention,或者睇中隻鑽戒,或者想加家用之類。 無他,佢地知你唔敢比佢走丫嘛。到你同意離婚既時候,佢地仲驚過你。。。所謂外國勢力援助,就好似亞聰聰呢d姦夫咁,無事既時候山盟海誓,有事既時候走夾唔抖。。。

當然,亦有可能個老公真係唔好,成日拳打腳踢,老婆唔走唔得。。。ecwkwok 發表於 2009-7-7 11:08

There are certainly different groups of people with different opinions.

In Quebec, for example, a lot of people probably only want to use separatism as a means to ransom for more federal benefits. On the other hand, I've also met quite a few Quebecois who really think they and Quebec are unique in the sense that they are totally different from Canadians in other provinces and territories, and that they should be considered as nation themselves. Of course, I never tried pressing them with the question of whether Quebec can actually survive on its own. But you rarely ever see this kind of sentiment in Montreal.

In Tibet, on the other hand, there is a much bigger variety of beliefs and opinions among ethnic Tibetans (I am not talking about Hans here). Some, especially the younger generation and those in the city are not too opposed to the Han-ization (漢化/大一統主意) since they have their eyes set on the prosperity and opportunities this will bring. The older generation and especially those in the more rural areas of Tibet have stronger (or much stronger resentment) towards Han-ization because they see it as the absorption, deterioration, and destruction of their own Tibetan roots and culture. And some are only in it for the political gains, whether it is funds, fame, and glory from the CPC or from an independent Tibet.

My understanding of the Urumqi situation is quite different from Tibet or Quebec because ethnic Uyghurs have long been reduced to an ethnic minority. In Xinjiang, Hans are generally more wealthy, and they control much of the economy. On the other hand, Uyghurs find themselves against discrimination (racial or otherwise), and their lives and future outlooks are grim given the social climate. Except for a tiny fraction of extremists, the people there -- including the Uyghurs -- there really isn't that much broad-based support for separatist movements. However, this doesn't mean the Uyghurs are happy. This excerpt from a news article captures their sentinments for this July 5 riot quite accurately:

http://news.mingpao.com/20090708/gab4.htm
記者與多名維族居民交談,發覺他們對廣東韶關玩具廠6.26群毆事件等有關意見可歸納為三點﹕

第一,事件起因是兩名維族人在韶關被人打死,但政府至今未處理事件和嚴懲兇手,這引起許多維族群眾不滿。

第二,烏魯木齊許多維族人認為,他們起先在人民廣場和平示威,但公安武警首先動粗,一些維族青年隨即大肆打砸搶燒。他們說,死者中也有維族。在二道橋,維族青年木拉提問記者,「一邊是棍棒和石頭,一邊是衝鋒槍和催淚彈,你說誰的傷亡大?」不過,新疆當局有關官員否認警方向維族人開槍,自治區宣傳部副部長侯漢敏昨對記者表示,警方面對危急情只會向天開槍,不會對人開槍。

第三,許多維族群眾不滿政府不給他們說話機會,二道橋一名不願透露的維族居民說,廣播電視等媒體上全是熱比婭、維族暴徒等信息,令人感覺好像維族人都是十惡不赦的惡魔。

For the Uyghurs, the demonization in #3 is especially frustrating.

-Lik

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I should add that for the most part, the Central and Provincial governments and their forces have gotten a lot smarter and a lot more restraint, especially when you compare it to the riot in Tibet last year. They are using less force (and in particular, there hasn't been very much evidence of excessive nor lethal forces being used) in dealing with the rioters, and even though they have temporarily shut down regional Internet access and cel phone networks, they are still giving a tremendous amount of freedom to the press to report the incident. These are lessons they have learned from Tibet last year, and it is good to see such positive changes.

-Lik

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阿力一路睇,個心一路諗,中國人幾時先至可以變得文明一啲呢?

-痛心力

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漢人主導經濟活動而引至維吾爾人眼紅呢樣野,其實除咗提高教育水平同 promote 多元文化之外亦都真係無乜辦法。但小弟個人嘅理解係,問題嘅根源其實係好多當地嘅漢人都唔係好睇得起啲維吾爾人,而情況亦去到一個帶住種族歧見嘅地步。

種族歧見點樣可以化解?阿力自細就響楓葉國長大,亦記得細細個讀書嘅時候先生已經成日教我地膚色其實並唔重要,大家無論係咩人種,其實都完全平等。而且其實細個讀書果陣根本就會同所有其他小朋友一齊玩,當中有香港人、中國大陸人、韓國人、日本人、菲律賓人、印度人、南美同拉丁美洲人、希臘人、西人、土生CBC、混血兒、土著等等。其實小朋友玩埋一齊,根本就係最好嘅 multiculturalism 教育。

-力

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普遍來講,我真係覺得加拿大嘅多元文化政策做得幾好㗎喇。要完全無任何歧視嘅話就當然唔可能啦,但 racial hate crime 始終都係非常少,而果啲乜鬼野 skinhead 呀,white supremacy group 亦只係少數中嘅少數嘛。

而且我會話,能夠做到心裡面有,但表面上無嘅呢一種虛偽,其實咁樣已經相對地文明好多㗎喇。起碼咁樣代表咗個人已經接受咗社會最基本嘅制約同普世價值,而唔會直接去傷害其他人嘅身體同財物呀?

可嘆嘅係,今日嘅中國大陸好多時都依然未能做到呢個層次囉... 舊年嘅西藏,今年嘅新疆... 唉...

-力

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Ya, perfect. You have all the insider info, knowing that the Uyghurs staged the brawl in the factory. And now that you've told us all this secret information, shouldn't you be charged with "洩露國家基密" and thus executed by the PLA, or at least sentenced to life imprisonment?

If you don't even know the cause of the fight in Guangdong, why don't you shut up and do a little research first?

-Lik

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