Lik

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好似所有問題都係用經濟手段解決嗎？
sheep 發表於 2010-10-4 11:38

Exactly -- China is easily one of the strongest driving forces in the global economy right now. Instead of flexing their military might, they can easily flex their economic muscles instead to exercise their influence and achieve the goals they want. The economic dealings with Taiwan and Japan are the best examples here. They lure Taiwan with economic incentives to foster friendlier relationships, and they threatened Japan (in the Diaoyu Island incidents) with suspension of various economic dealings.

We aren't in the medieval times anymore. Not everything needs to be resolved through the sword.

-Lik

Lik

你估佢好想同人哋一齊研發唔想獨佔咩，佢哋呢排窮，啲經濟唔掂咪要睇送食飯囉。 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-10-4 11:52

Exactly. And China should do the same by not blowing their $$ away in the most expensive aerospace research.

How much socialism is good? How much is bad? I think whatever cut you make on this is just as bad  ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-4 12:24

I dunno how much socialism is good, but all I know is that currently, China is practicing the most uninhibited form of market capitalism right now where the rich and (politically) powerful band together to reap all the benefits while the poorest peasants continue to eat shxt (and will almost certainly continue to eat shxt in the foreseeable future generation).

Currently, China is experience a boom because it is riding the prime age wave of its population. The US did this back in the 70's and 80's as well with the baby boomers, and now the dividends of that human capital is exhausted so it's payback time. Under China's 1-child policy, the same thing will happen, except that it will be worse. Institute in the Mainland themselves have issued such projections and dire warnings, and nobody is taking heed. If China really wants to invest for the future, then that future lies in its people and their well-being, not in some stupid expensive aerospace programs.

-Lik

Lik

Cuz they continue to be more and more short sighted. It's hard to say on the long term whether the half thought out medical reform is good investment, or if leaving budget in space is better investment on the long haul. All we know is their motivation: they want to address social concerns because it wins them vote, and that's all it is about
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-4 12:35

My goodness.. can you get more ignorant than this? The healthcare reform overhaul is only a means to win votes?!

I suggest you to go do a little research and see when the last healthcare overhaul was done in the US and how broken and out-dated the system is.

Everybody knows the healthcare reforms are incomplete, and to a large extent, that is due to the GOP being more concerned with playing politics than to cooperate with Obama and the Democrats to hammer out something that would really benefit the US people. But the compromise nevertheless represents a major overhaul of the system that will assist far more people than it currently does.

But in your view, it is only a means to win votes. Perfect.  

-Lik

Lik

So you think China should spend nothing on space until the average quality of life is up to western standards?
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-4 13:20

Not up to western standards, but most certainly something better than what the poor rural people currently have. When you still have tofu buildings and human-caused major environmental disasters (mud slide in Western China due to shoddy safety measures), why would you want to blow millions and billions into aerospace tech?
When Japan and New Zealand have 7.x Richter scale earthquakes, hardly anyone died. Now try that in China and see what kind of casualty numbers you'll see!

However the socialistic policies in general as fronted recently in the US, can you say all of them were for the greater good for the country? I'd willing be the devil's advocate that more of them than otherwise were meant to win votes from the peasants, rather than meant for the greater long term goods of the country.
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-4 13:25

I would not object to the belief that the Obama government was doing healthcare reform with the intention of using it to keep themselves in office. However, the important thing is not their original intention, but rather the results. At the end of the day when the healthcare reforms have been implemented, the general public are the ones to reap the benefits. That is the important thing.
Now tell me, what does the general public in China gain by having the Chinese government pursue in aerospace R&D? They get to watch the non-real time launch and landing on tv, and then they get to cheer 中國加油 for a while, after which they return to their normal, everyday harsh lives. So tell me, what benefits does aerospace R&D brings to the general public when they are still living in poverty?

-Lik

Lik

You stupid moron~~
It is Lik that is saying China should not flex its military muscle. AT the sam ...
peter236 發表於 2010-10-4 15:06

Moron~

I'm saying at times when China needs to wield its military might (eg. in the case of Diaoyu Islands), she doesn't. But when there is no need to do so (bleeding edge aerospace tech R&D), they blow billions and trillions away.

Look who's the moron here, trying to twist and distort my words... Go back and lick your Grandfather's toes la~

-Lik

Lik

What if I told you - It is very possible that Chinese people will never have the chance to live up to western standards if they do not develop spact technologies.
rockypath 發表於 2010-10-4 16:40

你無病呀化？！幾多東、西方國家都無太空、航天嘅科研啦～佢地嘅生活水準唔高得過中國大陸？！

真係黐能線...

-力

Lik

吊，你咪能響度多狗餘啦，契弟... 地球嘅資源無晒？你不如話世界末日、地球毀滅就來來啦，好唔好？

-力

Lik

懵仔，要地球資源耗盡嘅話，首先人類都要捱過咗氣候轉變所帶來嘅後遺症啦？你不如話叫依家嘅國家領導人預先 plan 定未來嘅 1000年所需要做嘅事好唔好？

Immediate needs 都未搞掂就想去諗未來 900幾年之後嘅事... 你不如話未生仔就安排定點樣同佢嚮變度買棺材山地？

多狗餘... 呢啲叫做未學生先學走，識唔識阿你？

-力

Lik

細佬力, 你用一個人既觀點(未生仔就安排定點樣同佢嚮變度買棺材山地), 去比較一個國家既觀點(探月計劃), 未免係風馬牛不相及.

有抱負d 咁睇, 探索太空係人類一件重要既事, 中國身為一個大國, 點都應該o係呢一方面去一分身. 自私d 咁睇, 人地美俄都有能力探月, 中國要證明都有呢個科技, 先至可以同佢地相題並論. 唔通比美俄壟斷太空科技先至係正確?

小弟覺得太空一定要繼續探索, 內政都一定要做好, 咁先至係一個負責任, 有擔帶既真正強國.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-10-5 01:10

風馬牛不相及？你係唔係連咁簡單嘅比喻都唔識呀？知唔知咩叫做未學行先學走呀，死蠢？

中國大西北、山區、內陸幾多地方只會唔係一、二線城市嘅話，生活質數已經同大城差好遠，而如果你一旦再去僻少少嘅農鄉，幾多人連抽水馬桶、雪櫃都無呀！你試吓去美加啲少城鄉、鎮仔睇吓，又睇吓人地會唔會連個屎坑都無水沖？！連呢啲咁基本嘅民生野都未搞好，真係人人有個彩電就算呀？唔通等佢地可以睇住個電視，見到楊利偉話自我感覺良好就對呢啲鄉民有利？

我以前都唔會咁樣吊柒你嘅，但係今次你所講嘅野實在太賤架。你去PK啦契弟！

-力

Lik

You extreme socialist viewpoint is well observed on this forum, along with serious attitude problems involving personal attacks and offsensive remarks. Your poor temperment, and heavy (anti-Chinese gov't) bias only makes rational discussion difficult and almost pointless. With your track record of bashing almost anything and everything done by the Chinese gov't, it just makes one thinks that you can no longer assess individual issues objectively on a case by case basis.
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-5 10:03

LOL~

According to your logic, this is merely your opinion only, and I can tell you that it stinks as bad as your a$$.

Also, it is funny how you label me as a left-leaning socialist. By every possible measure, I am right of center on the political spectrum. The problem with HK and China is, they are so ridiculously far off to the extreme right that by comparison, my right of center stance seems like it is a socialist ideal.

Learn a little political theory and observe a little more carefully before you shoot your stinking mouth off la~

-Lik