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一字甘淺，現在就是將民主黨的支持者，尤其是反對方案的支持者，歸於社民連門下的大好時機
社民連要把握時 ...
ricrick 發表於 2010-7-3 10:39

Agree.   That's called politically smart.  If they don't know how to make sure these kind of 時機, then they fail at their job.

Their main job is not to do what's best for HK, their point is to gain power by tagging the name 民主.  And that's the way the system works, there is nothing wrong with that, it's the career of politics.

By the way, the 民主 that these angry individuals always say in their mouths is nothing more than  "never accept there are other possible views on the topic" and "all other different political views people are scum, dirt, dog, (any personal attacks that they can think of), etc...", and these people can still say they are ready for real 民主.  LOL.   I think the faster these people open their minds, the faster China will grant HK real 民主.

Think about this for once:
The top officials in China know what's the benefit of 民主, and publicly mentioned that China is moving forward to that goal.  It's not fast, but it's evidently moving steps by steps if you opened you eyes for once.   They didn't stop 民主 in HK for their freaking own benefit, they don't need shxxxxt from Hong Kong.  They just don't want HK to fall, and turn around and hurt China in the international politic platform.  Yes, it's good to have different views and noises which can be used to monitor the progress, but the faster that citizens truly understand what is 民主 and really love the country, the faster the progress.  So, the narrow minded individuals need to start to learn how to accept different point of views.

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I don't see in what way, in which way HK will fall.
Fall to British? the US? The KMT? Economy will f ...
sheep 發表於 2010-7-3 15:34

It's pretty simple, as soon as China loses control over Hong Kong, foreign countries and companies can use HK as a weak point to create trouble for China.
Here is a scenario:
Google comes in and set its base in Hong Kong as the main office for whole Asia, then financially support a party to control hong kong.  Google hires 50k people in HK and pay them higher than other tech company in HK and create very good image.  Go in stock market in HK and the market price goes like crazy, everybody makes money in because of Google.  After established enough, HK Google can do huge attack on China censorship and make China look very bad, then start using the Government power to make a bigger issue on 64, everyone goes on strike for 1 month and ask China to answer to the citizen about 64.  Then obviously, China won't like HK for the embarrassment, and will not look after HK economy (HK economy will suffer so bad if China doesn't help HK).   

This is just from 30 seconds of thinking about it, it can be much worse if someone as half smart as Bush want to think up of a plan to attack China.
The list can go on and on, but the main idea is some country can use Hong Kong as a sandwich between China and itself, in a bad way.  As citizen in HK can be easily affected by money and benefits.

Some say this won't happen.  Another point is EVEN if there is 5% chance this will happen, China will not take the chance, because it can't be undone.   So what can China do about it now?  Take slow steps and be caution.   If something fishy going on, they can still stop.  At the same time, citizens can be more educated about what is freedom, as well as China's own politic improves at the same time.
Btw, I have nothing against Google, I use all google product.  I just used the name as an example.

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Lik 發表於 2010-7-3 16:18

    Yeah?  In what sense?  In making money for themselves?

罷市一個月？

That was just a made up example.  It can be 1 week or 2 days, it doesn't matter.   That's all you see from the example? You just count the days, instead of understand the point?  AND THEN you take every opportunity you got to put down on me with no reason, no logic, no base?

You must worth a lot.   

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咁 你即係無深思熟慮過啦
六四只要承認有做錯 還一個公道
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sheep 發表於 2010-7-3 16:40

China 承認 or not is not the point.  The fact is China doesn't 承認 now.  Please understand I am not saying China is right or wrong about 64 here.

The fact is China doesn't want to 承認有做錯, and they don't want some foreign countries to use HK to force China to do things or create embarrassment.
It doesn't have be about 64, it can be anything else.  
It like grandpa doesn't want to see his grandson to be controlled by enemy to make the whole family embarrassed or create internal conflict.

Can't you just understand the point instead of specific content of an freaking example?


I guess, some people can't just have an open mind and try to understand the situation.   I give up.   You win.