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i bet u the 12 years old kid doesn't even know that he/she have violated the laws or whatever...

The fault is on translink, who used our hard earned tax money to hire cops that have egos way bigger than brains, instead of using the money to buy TURNSILEs which can prevent both fare evaders and people who unintentionally didn't pay for fares...

On the other hand, whoever that says this is not a perfect example of the police doing a powertrip to satisfy their ego is just plain ignorant.

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本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-10-20 19:12 編輯
How would you know that that 12 yr old kid isn't one of those a-whole who would act defiantly when being interrogated?

(*ok, I'm a regular transit rider and I've seen a-wholes screaming and shouting  ...
Quest 發表於 2009-10-20 18:45


Shouting and screaming at the police? Big deal. They are on the job paid to serve the public. Do they expect everyone to please their ego while they are on their job and feel good? They are paid to go into difficult situations and resolve them. If there are no difficult situations around town then maybe we have over budgeted for law enforcements. If screaming fare evaders can get on their nerves to resort to violence and oppresive forces, then I think they need serious EQ assessment.

Getting pinned down, a tooth knocked out, bruises all over, hand cuffed for 15 minutes, and being accursed of assault on a transit police for mere transit offenses? Talk about who deserves what and who doesn't deserves what.

I expect public servants to be calm and do their job, not big ego and power trips. Just like I expect police car sirens to be used when officers need to rush to a case. Not just be turned on before a red light and off afterwards... Nowadays, who cares what the tax payers' expects? It's all about whose in power. Taxpaying slaves should just shut-up and continued to be abused by all sides. What a wonderful world?

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係﹐除非有第三四五者作證﹐否則 喝罵至驚哭 這詞乃是出自女教師之口﹐難保沒有偏袒之言﹐哪知小孩不是因為自己犯法被捉而嚇至驚哭呢﹖ 而女教師為爭取別人同情﹐當然一定會這樣說。

好多人搭車唔比錢﹐呢個亦係事 ...
Littleprince 發表於 2009-10-20 19:17


Gates is a no brainer, no matter the one time cost. Yet with the call out for gates for pretty much 10+ years, I don't see Translink even taking a single tiny step towards this goal... Call me a conspiracy theorist. Implementing gates means less budget for transit police. Not too sure if anyone on the Translink board is close friends with anyone on the Transit police side.... What we need is some private company CEO that does these gates to be good friends with someone on the board... yeah... that should do the trick...

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Also, to the police, the action that the lady just handed over ticket to the child in front of the public was challenging their authority, that probably made the police, who thought they are with all the powers mad.
tapioca 發表於 2009-10-20 23:38


The keyword here is 'mad' and 'being challenged'. I can't say I know this for a fact, but the impression I have on the police I am given is that they have a huge ego. When they are 'mad' and considers themselves as 'being challenged', they will exercise their power to the limit just for show - aka. power trip. When is mad a reason for a high trained and highly paid professional? Shouldn't the police be much more professional as they are trained to handle tough situations, and their job is to bring people to be tried by the judicial system. Not to pre-judge them and exert as much force as the protocol allows them to, even if it's unnecassary for them to get the job done? Their ability to use force is to keep the public and themselves safe, not to punish those who make them mad and is perceived as challenging their authority.

Aka. 4 RCMP could easily have wrestled Dzekenski + stapler down to cause minimum harm, but they chose to wrestle + choke him after 5 tasers because they can and it's more convinient. For this skytrain incident, we can speculate that the piano teacher is lying, and indeed assaulted the transit police. However assuming that part of her statement is true, the transit police totally did not have to wrestle her down and hand cuff her for 15 minutes to get the job done, but they chose to do so. Considering the size of her as shown in the photos, and the figure of the typical Asian, using common sense, I just fail to see how it was appropriate use of force, whether or not the police protocol grants them to do so for such situations.

The problem is, too often our legal enforcement exert judgements based on their ego and emotion (often enough to make the press every week/every other week). This is because there isn't effective avenues for complaints to be fairly processed. Police complaints and investigations are dealt with by police themselves, which are pretty useless most of the time. Bad apples in the system can never be held accountable for their actions. When we can have the whole RCMP branch not accountable to the people of the province, and RCMP officers who caused unnecassary civilian death still on the loose, there is very very little chance that this minor transit incident will result in any meaningful investigations.

I totally agree that we need police officers, totally not for anarchy, and it is for this reason that we need the police officers themselves to be in check. Otherwise there just can't be any reasonable expectation that we can have the criminals too in check. We need a system that fairly punish the bad apples and reward the good ones in order to do police officers who acts in professional manners justice.

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陳小姐稱,她最初移民溫哥華時,曾在溫哥華的天車站欲維護一名小孩時,亦曾遭當時沒有警槍的數名車站男警察粗暴對待,當時她沒有投訴。現又重蹈覆轍,她無法繼續容忍車站警察的粗暴態度,一定要投訴討回公道。

陳小 ...
PSP550 發表於 2009-10-21 17:25


One 3rd party witness... seem to side Miss Chan then...
Wording used (not sure if Ming Pao exagerated during paraphrasing) included 'repeat of the Dzekenski incident' and 'the female officer lost it (emotionally)'...
Another blow to confidence in the Canadian law enforcement...
Hopefully a full transparent investigation would be conducted on this, and appropriate people/person will be held accountable...

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By dragging in China into here, it shows your anti-China attitude.
Regardless of what the Chinese police will do, that does not mean we are doing the right thing here and the Canada line police just  ...
peter236 發表於 2009-10-22 11:19


Hmm.. i guess depends on who you are and which city... I've been through the SH airport. I got questioned a few times cuz I am a Chinese looking person holding a CAD passport. I understand why they'd be paranoid incase of stolen/fake passport, etc.  However throughout all the times I was stopped and asked to show documentations, can't say they are particularly nice (I can tell they weren't happy that I don't speak a drop of Mandarin with them and do English instead), but definately not rude.

SH law enforcement is probably held pretty tight, esp on incidents involving foreigners... Unlike here... Polish guy killed by our law enforcements? Sucks to be that Polish guy then...

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本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-10-23 11:41 編輯
I do not say in this instant, the police is right or that lady is wrong.  I am not there to witness so I cannot judge.  People can only judge by the evidence so far.

My statement might not be appro ...
myversa 發表於 2009-10-22 12:00


I think the point of discussion is on whether the lady was abused by overuse of force, and whether the amount of force used is appropriate. There's no point dicussing whether Miss Chan violated the law as she admits herself that she was stupid in doing what she did.

As you said, the discussion and judgements are dependant on the 'evidence' so far, which really is just 口同nose拗.... other than the one 3rd party witness as mentioned in the other thread, this TW lady who sides Miss Chan's version of the story....

Regardless, the the outcome is gonna be either of the 3 i think:

1. the lady is lying and the video is released indicating so
2. the transit police is lying and the video is released indicating so
3. the transit police is lying and the video is never released

... May a transparent investigation be taken place, the right entities be held accountable, and our legal enforcement/judicial system be improved towards the right direction ...

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