BiscottiGelato

organized religions that create artificial boundaries between people?
At least, I think my religions ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2012-11-22 23:54

The origin of the religions might not have necessarily 'taught' or 'preached' extremism. Unfortunately people are like that. When a group deeply believes in something, and another group strongly believes otherwise, conflicts occurs.

It hard to deny that most wars in history were because of religion. The intent of the religions might not be bad, but the resulting wars throughout thousands of years are also undeniable. It's hard to say whether religions in general have a net-postiive or net-negative impact throughout human history. But for surely, a lot of people have been killed in the name of various religions. Hypothetically, some of these wars might not have occurred if religions isn't there for foolish humans to use as that extra excuse to drive each other to the ground...

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講到最尾我係唔信死後仲有任何after-life。我覺得人死如燈滅，呢個世界咁多生物邊得嚟咁多嘢喺天堂，俾你見 ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-23 11:59

Maybe that's what heaven consists of - dark matter~

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回復  fibbi

聖經中沒有說過這是十誡，只係教會選擇性，攞嚟用亂用。因為講得好好聽，好似好有道德．

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satil 發表於 2012-11-23 15:22

Wow, this is super new to me. I never knew the Ten Commandmants isn't really THE Ten comandmants. I actually did some independent research into the matter. Christian/Catholics might wanna pay attention to this and arrive at their own interpretation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

It's seem to me that there are actually 17 lines to the Ten Commandments. And it does seem like the Catholic church did randomly chosen the 10 best marketable ones as their 10. Being deceived for this many years, it almost sounds like a fraud to me....

Just to declare my position. I am an athiest, but born in a Catholic family. My sister converted later to be a very devoted Christian. After being exposed to a good deal of formal education, including extensive Catholic teachings (but not the real deal being the Ten Commandments)... I simply can't take the superstition on and became an athiest.

BiscottiGelato

I think the biggest issue with the logical analysis with the thread so far, is not distinguishing between what a certain religion is trying to sell, vs creationist theory in general.

It's very difficult to say that we can take Evolution as a fact, and Creation as a mere theory. Evolution is indeed also just a theory!

Tho, when someone of a certain religion approaches you and tells you to accept their 'God' as fact. This is when you can by certainty, say that there's almost no scientifically acceptable evidence what-so-ever to support the existence of this particular 'God'. A god, as a vague definition would allow, might exist. So far there's no way to disprove creationary theory all together, and that is why it is still a theory, albeit not a generally scientifically accepted one yet.  However to take the existence of a particular 'God', as described by a certain particular religion, as fact, is definately beyond what logic allows.

BiscottiGelato

logical analysis梗係講唔通啦，即係好似攞把尺去量度一灘水。你哋喺到研究應該打橫度定打直度，應 ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-26 14:35

All I am saying is, we will never be able to proof that 'a god' does not exist - the basis of Creationist theory. But it's pretty safe to say that some particular 'God' does not exist as described by that particular religion.

Lack of a religion =/= lacking spirituality aspect of life. As Satil would say '他們欠缺絕對相反特性'. As such, 宗教, 道德, 人生觀 and 心靈 can be completely independent topics. 宗教 is definately not required for development in 道德, 心靈 or 人生觀.

But most religions definately requires you to believe in the whole thing. The spiritual aspect, the moral aspect and also the supernatural aspect. Otherwise u r considered 'unfaithful'. And as such, for a strong willed analytical individual, religion is just not for me. But one can defiantely still have a fulfilling spiritual life and a good moral basis without religion.

BiscottiGelato

我西妹嚟㗎嘛，hypothesis我明，暫時性客觀現實我就唔多理解。

我靚咪係事實囉。 ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-11-27 11:06

暫時性客觀現實 should be more translated as 'Consensus Reality', which is much much stronger than a mere 'Hypothesis'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3676 ... y-pose-risks-earth/

It's probable that there's alien life. It's just a theory based on our scientific knowledge of living things in general. It's not a consensus fact that there is alien life until we discover one. And some of these aliens are probably dangerous if they are human like (use up all resource and conquer for more,). That is, IF they exists at all. Consensus is that aliens do not exist, not that we know of yet. It's a theory that there's aliens of no specific form out there.

But god as any specific religion describes it.... it's not even a theory because there's no basis. Let alone a consensus fact... I'd argued that it can be a theory for a god like being of 'some' form whom might have created the world, with the definition of world to be ambiguous. But just a theory, and not any specific god either.