Alcoholic

Twin,
we are eye-ing some townhouses in ditchmond. the first phase is sold out 95%, but we will wait for the 2nd phase to start selling...
1300 sq ft starts 450K
1600 sq ft about 580K
we like the floor plan, it's nice. & it's new. wouldn't it be better for you to get a NEW small townhome rather than a small OLD crappy house?
let's find time to go look at display homes together! maybe we can be neighbours in the future too! hahaha

[ 本帖最後由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-15 12:26 編輯 ]

Alcoholic

Twin,
my hubby's mom's house is like 2000ish sq ft, 20 years old in richmond. the market price for that is 600ishK   that's why i suggested you to take a look at new smaller town houses, rather than thinking to buy a mid size house that's super old~

but with the amount of $ that us small potatoes are making, maybe it's better off for you & caveman to just rent a place to live with his mom... and save up for down payment for a few years sin lor.

besides, we both know that caveman's mom is already giving you guys pressure about living with you guys, i don't think it's a wise idea to get her hopes up about buying a home... she might expect something which might add to more pressure on you guys.

maybe consider taking it slowly for now... at least save up $ to get married sin lor. then save up for a house. then save up for a BABY

and about the relocation...
first of all, it costs alot to move to the states or back to hk. so it'll just add to your burden. i don't know about the states, but moving back to hk? are you sh!tting me?!?! you sure you want to work 6 days a week, OT everyday?! and places in hk are just as expensive, but at LEAST 1/2 the size for the same price here! now how is caveman's mom gonna live with you guys then?! it will probably drive you nuts! food can be cheaper, but transportation ain't that much cheaper. plus, you'll spend LOADS of $ on all the convenient clothes & makeup that you see everyday. besides, like what we discussed yesterday... we don't really need to dress up for work here. but in HK?! you probably need a new wardrobe every season, AND worse of all: DEAL WITH UNLIMITED BITCHES

stay here la.... for ME!!! wahahaha

[ 本帖最後由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-16 08:51 編輯 ]

Alcoholic

Twin,
i think kaimui is right.... as much as i will miss you.... maybe you & caveman should hibernate to the states. i mean, after all the drama & history, his mom still doesn't smarten up~! then i don't think anything will ever change her. sometimes, the mother in laws' behaviors are understandable, BUT, the fact is, just because she is an elder, doesn't make her superior (which she thinks she is) and just have to make the youngsters listen to her ways. i mean dude, we're adults now... just because we respect them, doesn't mean we have to listen to them. ok, i sound even more cold-blooded than kaimui~

you know, yesterday when we talked at work, you make me worry that once hubby's sis gets married, my lai-lai MIGHT want to move in with us if we buy a new townhouse for my future bb.... its not like i dont care for her, but you're right.... "easy see, live in hard". i start to worry because the fact that you pointed out (lai-lai most likely won't live with a married daughter & will stick to the son) is right~~~

Alcoholic

Twin,
just a question.... why would you want to move to the states for 5 years & then come back to buy a house here? wouldn't it be a waste of time & money if you don't plan to live there for life? even if you buy a house in the states during the lowest period, how much more $ can you make in the states compared to here?

cost wise, isn't it better for you two to stay here, save up for down payment/mortgage for the next few years here & then buy a home here in the next 5 years when you predict that real-estates will drop here?

hubby & i think that maybe you & caveman are jumping a wee bit too much ahead of yourselves. mainly because first of all, caveman is not done his studies yet. 2ndly, you mentioned to us that you have only worked for 2 years or so. and if you do the math, isn't it too early for couples that are new to the work force (& un-supported financially by family) to even consider buying a home in the near future? for my hubby & i, we're a special case... and i do agree with you that we are very fortunate.

[ 本帖最後由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-22 08:15 編輯 ]

Alcoholic

Twin,
make a fortune from moving????? hmm...
i'm not so sure about plan A since i'm totally not those who look at economy predictions & analysis...

but plan B about moving down to the states to start a restaurant with his uncle & bringing caveman's mom along ?!?!?! are you sh!tting me?!?! i thought one of the main purpose of moving to the states is to (sorry to say...) is to ditch caveman's mom here!!! i dunt know about you, caveman, caveman mom & uncle, but starting up a restaurant ain't easy if you have no experience~ then what use is gonna be made out of caveman's double major/mba and your accounting studies?? it's just gonna go down the drain because you two youngest people will be the main support to run the restaurant! besides, if you say his uncle feels that the family owes him big time, i don't think it's wise to add on the burden of a problematic uncle with an already needy caveman mom!

Alcoholic

maybe i'm just too family orientated... this is in a way how us Twin different. I would totally be up to do wild crazy partying & scary actions. but when it comes to career VS family, i guess i would put family first. that's why the night before yesterday i was having that debate that i discussed with you. not that i'm saying you don't care for family... but you have wild astonishing goals for your career... i had that thought too! i always *thought* that i rather never have babies, and just want to be a strong OL, have a good career, and not to be dependent on a man. but i guess when it is time to be forced to pick between one, i think i lean toward giving up my dreams for a family i dunno... i'm still thinking about it.

at the moment, i have no problem handling simultaneously being a crazy party chica and a good wife. but in the future, i'm not sure about being a successful OL, and a guai guai mother/wife.

[ 本帖最後由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-22 09:48 編輯 ]

Alcoholic

Twin,
kaimui and i are on the same line. i totally agree with her elaborated thoughts to the points that i pointed out. one word that she used that i didn't use in my reply is the word: MARRIAGE.

you talk about moving, family, career, plans... but you guys never mentioned about the plan of getting married! and i KNOW that you guys will get married... but that is gonna cost you (bare minimum $100 for doing nothing & just a marriage licence) at least like $20k just for a tiny wedding. i don't know how your parents think, but given that you told me you're the youngest & completely spoiled... do you think your family will let you go getting married without doing a "small show" for them???

maybe you can say that getting married is just part of the process, part of the whole game plan. but kaimui is right. just by signing a stupid piece of marriage licence will change ALOT of things... your life, your mentality. maybe you see me still partying & still looking young. but getting married hits you HARD! suddenly, you have much more complicated relationships, and more burden to think about... it's like your maturity just gets slammed & boosted up all of a sudden.

as crazy and as subjective as this may sound:
i personally don't think that it's possible for a WOMAN to have a successful career AND be a responsible mom at the same time. is possible to work & be mother at the same time because there's gray areas... but never fully.

[ 本帖最後由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-22 10:12 編輯 ]

Alcoholic

Twin,
you can ask me about anything anytime you want... whether it's time or not, we can still mo-liu chat about things  

if you have a cruise wedding, of course i'll try my very best to make it (even if hubby can't make it....hehehe ) i already missed that xmas eve cruise with you, i surely don't wanna miss your wedding cruise!! but we can't party TOO hard because afterall, it's YOUR WEDDING dammit! LOL. but i think caveman has no right to monitor a stag night of partying when it's not gonna have accurate observations right? HAHAHAHAHAAH

about restaurant:
knowing how to cook well & cooking COMMERCIALLY is TWO different stories. when you are pressed for time & is making mass repeated production, it doesn't matter how good you cook leisurely.

i think you should just take it easy...BOTH of you. you guys plan TOO MUCH DETAIL for the future. & it doesn't work like that cus future is an unknown factor. one lil change & it will throw you off your detailed plan, & thus you'll feel frustrated. so just plan a rough timeline & highlighted goals... the rest, you really need to go by the chinese saying "see step walk step".

& if you really consider a "backup plan", how will it fit within that detailed "future proposal"? so just relax & look at the NEAR future in front of you. when you're in serious relationship, EVERY woman gambles their future. about how you say you need to "sacrafice alot, work hard etc etc to be with him"... think about it this way: are YOU happy like that? just because he's so aggressive, doesn't mean YOU have to be that way in order to BE WITH him. if he expects that from you, do you think by doing that for him will really create a HAPPY future? think on happiness, rather than always financially ok? that's the #1 point to BE WITH SOMEBODY ---> happiness & COMFORTABLE COMPATIBLE LIFE.

about the mom problem, there's is nothing that can change her way of thoughts & attitude. just like our old long LYK C9 post. you just gotta try your best & suck it up.

being with a man that has no family financial support is fine. as my hubby said to you today at lunch, aside from hard work it's about fate too. there's no guarantee for life. even if you guys both have a good job, & end up making good $ later, doesn't mean by the time you retire you'll still have decent money left. so in a way, it makes no difference.

i agree you don't need to explain so much to people... as long as your close friends understand you is ok. at least me & my hubby both feel that caveman is a great guy, great friend & treats you his very best, & will give you what he has everything...

RELAX

Alcoholic

yeah... how can i go to work with no lil piggy Twin to stuff up with my snacks?!
2 WHOLE weeks with no Twin in the office, no Twin during weekend, no Twin on LYK, no Twin on facebook, no Twin on the phone

Alcoholic

Twin,
don't need to be doubtful of DD skill... let's go out tonight & lemme train you! tell caveman to drive you to my place, we have dinner together & get ready together. when we go out, we can leave Caveman behind with Hubby to play together with Wii Fit & comics!!! how's the plan?! AHAHAHAHHA this way, we can have fun, keep caveman occupied, and have a peer-babysitter for out guys!