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原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-12-17 15:49 發表


what you said can be achieved in an ideal world
too bad, our world is not ideal that everyone is rational in ALL cases before we had sex. On the contrary, the moment right before having sex is one o ...

Not really only in ideal world.  Many good decision makers can do this.  Of course young kids will probably not be able to control as good as adults about sex, and that's why there is an age limit.  It's a training of mind which probably come with good discipline.

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-12-17 15:59 發表


did u ever hear news reports/stories about young parents(normally < 23) leaving their babies at home and then going to club/dance/drink/one night stand/etc.... and then their babies/children got inj ...

of course I did

do you see  the connection?
naive/imature kids had the forbidden fruit -> baby -> did not take the responsiblilty of being parents -> baby suffers

so who's fault is this?  is that any better than this?
naive/imature kids had the forbidden fruit -> baby -> abortion -> live in shadow for life

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if you said so...go right down to a point that only you can understand on this planet...LOL

I knew people living in public housing and they're very happy wor...what's posting pics on blogs have to do with happiness?

aham...I thought you said the ONLY important thing is money, when did you change your mind?  I hate quoting people but this is for you only "Money is THE only reason to worry" (post #26).  I think there's a difference between "first" and "only".

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OK Ultraman, I see what you're trying to say now.

For one thing, are the parents in such a bad situation/condition right now?  I think for most people, they're probably not in that position.  You've said "tough" many times.  So what are the problems that this couple is facing that will be so tough and cause a unhealthy baby?  Is not able to go to party/bar too tough?  LOL  Maybe it's time for them to grow up?

Silly brave or irresponsible?  I'm sure there are people who are silly brave.  I'm not saying you shouldn't analyze the problem and come up with a plan.  I'm saying one shouldn't hide from difficulties.  It could be difficult but it's not impossible right?  Even for a low income person, it's not impossilbe to have a kid.  This is Canada, it's way better than a lot of other places already.  Giving the best to the kids?  What's the best and what the worse?  If you insist on having private school, then of course not a lot of people can afford that.  However, public school is absolutely free.  Instead of wearing Nike, you can wear Walmart shoes, etc...many people are doing that...

So how would you deal with this baby then?  I want to know your opinion.

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chunsh & hyde,

You guys always like to bring out extreme cases huh?  If cases are that extreme, then I guess it should be assessed in a case per case basis.  I'm talking about people in general.  Plus, this is Canada, a lot more benefits for the poor.   Nowadays, the majority of the parents are working parents and they're still raising happy kids.  Most people don't need to work 24/7 to sustain their living, do they?  If not, then there you go you have time!  

Go do some research, street kids/trouble teens don't become that way because their parents are low income.

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If they're not "well prepared" for every possible consequence, they shouldn't even eat the fruit. That's call "responsible". Once they didn't consider the consequence well but have the fruit eaten and have baby, getting married at their very young and non-prepared age (I call this "inappropriate" time),  they're just being irresponsible but not responsible.

I agree.  But there are some members who think this cannot be avoided/controlled.

Yeah, you might think getting married is the correct way to tell people you have guts to face and bear the consequence, and also being a responsible person/parent.

Let me tell you, I don't believe in showing/telling people what I think, I do it.  If your motive is just to show that you're responsible, it's totally wrong.  When I mean face the problem, I mean it!  That means change in life style, change whatever to make it work, with determination!

I'm in a hurry, will be back....haha

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Ultraman, I think you and me value things very differently.  I'm against abortion.  So what's high quality and low quality family?  I'm afraid that most families in this world are low to mediocre quality families....so they all shouldn't have babies?  If that's the case, then I would NOT be in this world now...LOL

(You may say you and your brother think you two are good enough and are pretty satisfied with the current stage. However, this is only from your pov, the society might be longing for a better person.)

I guess his friends, relatives, parents, siblings, employer, teachers, etc can all confirm if he/she is a good person right?  I guess if one's happy about him/herself, then at least he/she should not be suffering right?  So growing up for a poor family not necessarily mean sufferings right?

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-12-17 20:37 發表


pills are better than condom, however, your girl should take the pills regularly to make it effective.

oh wait...but pills won't stop spreading your STD??? LOL

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OK go back to the mother-to-be hates kids...

So because the mom hates kids, then she should have an abortion?  That's garbage!  To escape from the responsibility of a mistake, the mom yet makes another mistake...   Btw, I rarely see a mom that hates her kids from the heart.  How do you know she won't change after giving birth?  Also, there's always the dad, grand-parents, etc....

It makes me sick when people think that abortion is the smarter or the more responsible way.  Who knows who will suffer at the end?  How can you take away the privilege of being born and live?

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-12-17 21:02 發表

邊__個話街童一定係來自低收入家庭呀
我係話﹐如果一對couple要日做夜做先可以support個小朋友﹐甘點會有時間陪小朋友同埋小朋友學校以外既知識呀?

not you, I was referring to hyde, he said if parents work day & night, the kids will hang out on the street...so indirectly they could be a low income family

anyway, lots of people work like a dog ga la...so?

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