shutterbug

I think this "基督徒八大惡劣特徵" started in "Golden"...someone ported this over...

but the point is if one really wants to challenge Christianity, he needs to come up with better stuff than this lor...LOL

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-6 14:17 發表


此乃一些believes在辯論中一些慣常用的技倆---轉移目標
無錯我曾經批評過神造論﹐但我係想引出他們的一些在辯論既時候既一些問題
you know what? 我成功了。一次又一次的顯露給別人看他們怎樣同時用同一個human
log ...

I'd like to see your real life examples...how you "一次又一次的顯露給別人看"

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原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 14:08 發表
Thus far, nobody dares to counter my points it seems LOL...

What I want to know is, for the believers, under the context of the points I posted on page 3 and 4, why did you believe in a certain reli ...

why are you asking such a fundamental question?

Why someone believe in something?  Let me ask you a question, why do you believe your mom is really your biological mom?  I assume you haven't done a DNA check yet.  So without any physical evidence, you believed already.  Why?  How about your dad?

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CP, air or not is one thing, but I kind of enjoy thinking about the issues as these people bring them up.  It helps me to gain more knowledge in God/Bible when I have to research for an answer.  Their questions are answered by numerous people out there, and by reading their opinions, I gain more.  Lots of interesting views out there even from different Christians.  I'm not saying who's more right though because for some stuff there is no real answer unless God tells you himself.

shutterbug

人與寵物係主人同奴隸o既關係?  I don't think so and I don't think the Bible said this.  In Genesis before Adam and Eve sinned, God ordered Adam to oversee the creatures and give them names.  How is this "supervision" a realtionship of  主人同奴隸?  At most I can say that Adam is only their "zoo manager"...LOL

Personally, I think it was the other way around.  Adam might have had good "friendships" with the creatures.

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原帖由 katamari 於 2009-1-6 15:58 發表


Thanks for your input, I appreciate that. 我聽過有朋友因為動物無得上天堂所以唔buy呢個宗教

I feel sorry that you had such a bad answer from before...but sometimes I wish more Christians read their Bibles more...

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原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 15:54 發表


The evidence is that she claims to be my mom and cared for me for my entire life thus far. Birth certificate also indicates so, along with all official documentations, etc. Thus, there are strong ev ...

You think your method is more scientific than believing a religion?  I disagree.  Before you actually go and have DNA tested, what you think is evidence might not be real evidence.  People can give false witness just like any other beliefs.  Birth cert and docs can have human errors and such.  Baby swapped cases in hospital is not news in HK and docs can be fake.  Even if you went for a DNA test, the result is not 100% accurate.  In science, not 100% is not 100% and you can't say something that works 99.99% of the time is truth.  So unless you see yourself coming out from your mom's womb, which is kind of impossible, you have no way to determine whether you're really your mom's son.  To prove you're your dad's son, it's worse cuz you can't trace which sperm first fertilized the egg, and from whom it came?  Anyway, went too far and too exaggerated but you get the idea.  Science has been wrong a million times.

If I say not all Christians "blindly" believe, you probably disagree with me.

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Ultra, I don't think that was a bad example.  CP was just trying to tell me to shut up and save air to warm my belly because these issues have been brought up too many times without any constructive results (who knows though).  Save air or not is a personal preference, it's not wrong to keep the mouth shut when people are arguing.  Obvioiusly, a kid can see that there are anti Christ people in this forum and CP did not give specific names so I don't think he was a bad example.

The title of this thread is really provocative for a Christian by the way...

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原帖由 bluntbro 於 2009-1-6 16:50 發表
I HATE CHRISTIAN..>>>> HATER~

an example of anti Christian

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原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 18:40 發表


You bring up another very interesting aspect, and that is the ability to perform independant verification. Using back the somewhat offensive example. If the birth certificate is faked, I can go test ...

I like your scientific way of thinking and I agree science can do a lot.  However, for things as straightforward as it seems, science still can't prove that you're your dad's son 100%.  So at the end of the day, we're still in a circle?  Or another example, science can prove life after death.  I think you can only "believe" it or not.  My point is that a lot of things cannot be proved by science, so you will not believe in anything that's not proven or can be proven?  If so, I think you missed a lot!  Many things in life requires faith, like you have faith that the parents you have now love you and care for you.

As in science, nothing is 100%, it allows for more evidence to be corrected, such that the probability that the claim is true will be enhanced as more evidence is collected.

So science keeps changing when more evidences are collected...so when will you know the final result?  I hope it doesn't take too long, definitely not after you died.

Btw, by definition God cannot/does not lie.  Ancient philosophers can tell you that.

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