chunsh

what if it was your mom get killed, will you say the same thing?

It is not about revenge.  It is about admitting the wrong doing, compensate the families, and give them a "Gung Dou".
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-4-16 10:51

waste time and waste "gas"

chunsh

If we couldn't admit the mistake we made in the past...we are no different from the Japanese govt who ignore the Nanjing Massaca...
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-16 10:51

what make us different
we are all human after all
and human like telling lie

chunsh

10# chunsh


I don't like telling lie, don't know about you. But please don't generalize all "human being" like telling lie.
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-16 11:52

no one like telling lie, but we do tell lie
have u lied before?
accept the truth, we are wicked

chunsh

我睇6。4，我仍然會用屠殺來形容，因為當年真係有坦克車碌人，........
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-16 12:08

any picture?
video?

chunsh

坦克車 didn't 碌 this person but 碌 other....I have seen pictures with "minced meat"...have you?
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-16 13:50

u know what?
I know which pic u have seen
I have seen that book too
but as u said, we jsut saw minced meat (all red)..........
wait a minute..........u found whats wrong there?

chunsh

117# coolccx

你現在這個論點聽起來真令人有點心寒。就是為大前題什麼犧牲都在所不計。但這是誰的大前題，誰的利益？是政權的利益，還是人民的利益。和平統一是重要，還是正確的價值觀，有能力去辨別事非重要呢。 ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-17 14:41

u are so naive!!!
look at the Soviet, when the country and education level of MASS population are not ready for western democracy, the ex-soviet is a good sample
是政權的利益，還是人民的利益?
I think it is for both and for now. China gov has a lot of problems, we all know that, corruption is one of them. But the changes should be made slowly and absolutely by a bunch of university kids. I can't imagine what would happen if chinese gov got torn down by those students back to 1989

chunsh

134# coolccx

其實也很高興能與身在大陸的人作六四的交流，不過正如你所講，有很多互聯網站都不能上，其實為什麼呢？還不是什麼政治審查作祟，不容許不同的聲音，限制思想，判斷能力，這是好的嗎？你說呢？ ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-17 16:12

the problem is, the people who live there can still live with it, and they like their gov
so why do u bother? its a good example that u add your value to other people

chunsh

138# chunsh


As I said, a person should be able to distinguish right or wrong. Being limited to choices is not good to begin with. People can live with it is one issue, is this good or not good is  ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-17 16:26

is good or bad is not your matter, its the matter of the people who living such environment.
people like the stable environment, even certain degree of freedom is being ripped off
that is the truth.

luckily, u are not a president or emperor of any country, otherwise, I would feel worry about the people who live in other countries which have different value than u have, just like bush

chunsh

讲了这么多，感觉讲的比较沉重，中国其实很不错的，这几年中国发展真的很快，这里有的吃有的喝有得玩，大家有空回来玩哈
coolccx 發表於 2009-4-17 17:17

I have to stand in your opposite side this time, there is one serious problem in china: corruption among the police and the lower level of chinese government leaders. Those people are always try to steal $$ and resource away from poor people. and those corrupted people can cause the poor people to group together and do some crisis

chunsh

Reason #1 actually worries me, if they know they have done wrong but refusing to apologize, I would say

2. The government personnels  ...
fishbelly 發表於 2009-4-19 07:28

same for every government on this planet earth
why bother