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poor breeding/sanitary condition, suffering from health and social problems are the key ...
嘉嘉 發表於 2010-3-16 21:50


那我至今没有找过这么差condition的一个breeder拿狗
但是我所知道的,大部分的breeder都没有注册,没有立税
注册那些,少量breed狗的,或者很多breeder只专攻一种狗,通常这种breeder都不卖给broker,他们都是有钱人所以才玩起狗来,通常她们的小狗也会有ckc reg,然后自己直接对外售卖,大概都需要1000以上一条,如果给得起钱,我觉得去这种breeder家买也不错

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i am not an expert but most breeder only breed one kind of dog. Every breed of dog has different requirement and behaviour. And it's normal that you need to contact and reserved your puppy with a breeder even before the mommy dog started to bear babies.
The "condition" you talked about prob is just sanitary condition of the "factory".
sad

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本帖最後由 yayaya 於 2010-3-16 22:53 編輯

不是, 多数 breeder 都breed多于一种狗,只不过你很少机会认识到那些breeder因为接触他们的基本上只有dealer并且只能有dealer或者信得过的人, 只breed一种狗那些breeder目的还真不是为了赚钱,但是能不能说所有commercial 的breeder都是puppy mill,这就是另一回事了,我这回从家庭拿了4只pom,对比我在breeder那里拿到的pom,实际跟你说他们样子其实是差不多,不见得特别优秀,身体素质是Family dog好些,(就是stool都很nice看得出身体状况不错)但是只要过了这段2-4月的时期,puppy基本上问题就少很多,而且family dog非常social,很喜欢人,我以前卖过基本上完全不懂和人communicate的pom

那如果按楼上你的说法,那些比较好condition的地方依然是factory,只不过是卫生干净的factory,我也觉得你说得对,但是这只能说明一个事实,市面上至少60%-70%的人手里的狗都是从这些factory出来的,只是看你选择一个干净的factory还是一个脏factory罢了

这段说得很精辟
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Due to the frequently poor breeding conditions in puppy mills, puppies bred there often suffer from health and/or social problems. Puppies raised in a cramped environment shared by many other dogs become poorly socialized to other dogs and to humans. Dogs are then transported over long distances in poor conditions, sometimes resulting in animal stress and death. As the surviving mill dogs grow older, they are more prone to developing respiratory ailments and pneumonia, as well as hereditary defects such as hip dysplasia.[2] In addition, mill dogs are more prone to have problems with their temperament. Puppies from mills are usually sold as purebred dogs in an attempt to attract the higher prices associated with purebreds. However, due to the indiscriminate breeding practices of puppy mills, the dog may not actually be a purebred puppy.[11] The vast majority of puppy mill animals are sold to pet stores by "dealers". Some puppies are sold by dealers masquerading as authentic breeders.
富2代killer, 富2代maker

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本帖最後由 yayaya 於 2010-3-16 23:02 編輯

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其实也没什么好sad的,如果没了那些factory,可能一条狗至少要1000多,社会上还有很多想养狗但是又给不起钱的人,就是因为大家既想养狗,又不想给高价,才产生了这么多puppy mill,你们一边说杜绝puppy mill,一边肉痛自己的荷包,有些人找我买300多块的西施狗还要一堆配送,还要不想要puppy mill的狗,那为什么他们不去找ckc reg的1000+的小狗去买或者直接买一条冠军血统的参赛狗的后代好了。就好像翻版CD一样,可能对于门外汉翻版和正版cd有着相同效果,那为什么多数人还是选择翻版,正版虽然贵很多,它也比翻版质量好吧。我都做这行有一段时间了,以前也像你们那样无理由地疯狂地喜欢小动物,做久了我发觉其实每一种动物一开始他们性格真的很像,只是你把某只动物放进去“你的宠物”这个位置,对他起了感情,换了任何一只动物放进去这个位置你都可能会对他产生感情。
还是那句话,狗是狗,人是人。人类是高等动物,何必为其他动物大打出手。

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my pekingnese n yorkie were from Pet Habitat..Sigh.. n they ate poopoo when they were small.. SIGH...
<3 Muk Muk

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其实也没什么好sad的,如果没了那些factory,可能一条狗至少要1000多,社会上还有很多想养 ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-3-16 11:00 PM

yes. ppl who can't even afford to pay for their puppy shouldn't get one cos the payment of the puppy is just a SMALL amount of the total $ sum. The vet bill/pet insurance and the food..etc is a lot more than the cost.
YES. Both of my family dogs were from breeders. And btw, from the news article, that pet store owner said the average price of his puppies is $1500. I have never seen pet store selling puppies for $300.

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其實我真的很佩服養貓仔狗仔嘅人,花很多人力物力財力心機才養得起。

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其實我真的很佩服養貓仔狗仔嘅人,花很多人力物力財力心機才養得起。
fibbi 發表於 2010/3/16 23:38


咁呢個世界好多興趣都係要花很多人力物力財力心機

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Actually when I was getting my second sheltie and browsing through many reputative breeders' websites (I contacted 2 of them via email too)
I found that most puppies (even with champion parents) do not cost over $1K (maybe certain breeds are more expensive, I don't know. But at least my 1st sheltie coming from pet habitat is so much more expensive than my 2nd sheltie coming from a breeder)
so we can tell how much profit are the puppy mill making by making puppies so over priced while the facility is in such a bad condition and dog parents are suffering

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本帖最後由 yayaya 於 2010-3-17 01:09 編輯
yes. ppl who can't even afford to pay for their puppy shouldn't get one cos the payment of the pupp ...
布小熊 發表於 2010-3-16 23:31


你没有看到我前面第2个回复么,我说我是broker起家的,现在我已经不是低层broker了,我说错了400,不是300,一条西施你从broker手里大概就是这个价格,我认识一些从montreal拿狗过来的broker卖325一条,你来多伦多我卖给你,给你health warranty,绝对健康,也social,呵呵

现在我们的宠物店,质素不错的yorkshire才1400左右,也有同等质素的yorkie卖4000,在其他中国人pet store,那些都是我的朋友,最贵的5000也卖过,是很小很小很小体型的yorkie,你愿不愿意买,见仁见智。

你说的对,买一条狗需要很多责任,像养一个小孩,vet bill都比一条狗的价格要贵,但是你不如在d人生bb之前告诉他们养大一个小孩要400万,你看看他们是不是坚持要生?如果人人都害怕这个数字游戏,是不是世界上只有有钱人可以生小孩,只有有钱人可以养狗?一个层次生活的人了解不到另一个层次生活的人的状况,你可以觉得无钱的人最好不要养狗因为他们提供不到好的环境给那条狗,但是我遇到过加拿大很多乞丐都带着自己的狗在街旁蹲着,他们的狗生活环境够差了吧在你看来,不过跟着他们的狗也许会很开心,因为狗不介意你是否有钱,狗很多时候更介意的是你对他如何,是否对他不离不弃。要是你要真把宠物理解成亲人你就会觉得我说的有道理。

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