Catpiano

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shutterbug

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Catpiano 發表於 2009-12-15 16:56

I'm waiting for 字典仔  to tell me the logics.  I'm so curious to know!

spoonek4

我自己就唔係好理d 偈油本身有幾黑，我最主要睇番有冇燒偈油同燒左幾多，anyway我行夠4000-5000km都一定會換，偈油可能仲ok，可能係d 所謂long life engine oil，但係個oil filter 真係好難講佢入面已經有幾塞....

換偈油同波箱油，尾牙油呢d 野好主觀，你換一次偈油由幾廿蚊起手，做一次波箱油drain & fill或者flush 幾廿到百幾蚊不等，一副engine同波箱各需幾千蚊，以一個oil change 50-60cad同一副engine block 3000蚊計，一年換4次油，要換十幾年油先等於換一副block。好可惜我o係做野既地方真係見到好多人唔行到部車冧都唔心息，結果d 04-06年叫做幾新既車，真係要自己出一大筆錢換吹化(engine mis-fire攪到要換cat)/偈/波箱，又或者trade 俾二手車行，比比皆是。

我自己keep 住日日都要部車返工，我就肯定唔會想我部車有d 咩事，我亦唔鐘意部車有問題成日一係渣到提心吊膽，一係就爆晒粗.....

字典仔

38# shutterbug

shutterbug: 咁不如你又解釋一下油尺兩邊既level既成因? 咩野原因導致到有咁既情況出現? 咁即係有冇問題?有既又係邊? 冇既又點解冇問題? 點解換油換密d又會好d? 換密左好多時侯又靜左又順左, 聽你咁講一定係心理因素? 好多野我都冇答案, 只係觀察同試驗, 相信你都係只不過大家做既試驗係唔同...好多野我都想上網有人可以話我知, 返學可以學到, 身邊比我更有經驗既師傅可以答我? 好可惜, 我聽返黎既睇返黎既就係d人點咁越做就越"事但", 越做就越"求其"...

睇黎, 你都係一個得閒之人, google搵唔到既野唔代表你搵唔到...我都知從來未聽過"水氣"呢樣野, 都係想當年學師果陣有幸得到一位高人所指導:"你都係黎學野既jei, 點解你唔自己搵出個答案? 書係死既人係生既, 你要活學活用先得, 我除左可以教你書本上面既野之外, 其他既就要你去搵出個答案喇; 換油係一樣好基本保養架車既野不過好多人反而會忽略, 你邊到會講得佢地明丫"

我講既野唔係要記服d咩野人, 好老實講, 朋友移居去第二到既都會係msn到問我, 幫得咪幫囉...返香港都幫d朋友睇車, 唔通我又有錢收? 再講, 我就算比到幾多樣野你睇你係唔care就係唔care...你又唔係唔識車, 係咪?

仲有, 我冇話過我會睇得到d油裡面有咩污濁野/雜質, 污濁咪污濁換密d囉, 換密幾次都唔得有古怪先send D sample出去都唔遲; 下下咁send唔駛錢呀? 返黎好又點唔好又點呢? 既然係唔好不如換好佢先send佢出去睇下有冇事? 換極都唔好send出去攞個report返黎等自己安心去換車都唔錯丫?

咁如果換完油著車前唔黑, 著之後先變深色/啡色 vs 一入落去就變深色/啡色著完都係一樣 vs 入落去就變深色/啡色著左車又ok, 邊個會係有問題呢?

你唔駛oil analysis定係你唔敢呀? 我又唔介意大家做個實驗, 睇下我睇完同你send出去返黎之後差幾遠? 做埋個compression test又點話, 我都好想知道我有冇退步?

我點知MM standard低? 因為對於我黎講低囉! 換完d油都仲黑(至少放廿分鐘, 用castrol gtx / motul, 原廠油隔), 咁如果佢既standard唔低, 可能係我高啦, 乜換完油d油唔應該乾淨架? aiya 攪錯晒tim...原本google search出黎而家06年之後既車換完油黑係正常, 唔怪得d廠將個service interval越拉越長, 咁不如我地係唔係都拉長佢咪得囉?

請賜教

字典仔

43# spoonek4

人, 唔死過係唔識驚既, 再講丫, 而家d新車咁平, 舊車又唔值錢, keep 黎仲乜?

不過假設渣緊一個full load civic, lease 四年都萬幾, 期間又唔係乜都唔駛整, 可能整少d啦, 我架civic十年都係折舊左萬二(雖然唔係full load, 再講icbc仲要比我top book, 不過私人賣我最多都係少一千)?

其實好多時候都要睇一個人有幾錫車, 愛車之人同用車之人係兩回事黎既....可能我地有d人真係接受唔到架車唔順, 會壞啦...不過有d人渣住個炸彈又未必知, 有d又驚渣住個炸彈頻頻換車...咩人都會有架喎

spoonek4

車同屋一樣，都係一個investment，一樣係要勤保養，唔保養就好可能會搵日失驚無神搵d 野黎嚇下你.......

之所以有師傅係專做水電煤氣渠務可以幫人做各樣保養，再你自己平日清潔同打理下，一間好好地既屋就唔會變狗竇，部車都係同樣道理，平日多d 做下service，多d 洗下佢，自己渣出黎都唔會燈又唔著，呔又見晒鋼線咁肉酸啦。

字典仔

我突然之間覺得好有某人feel, 一個朋友好鍾意架車有事就係internet到print一大堆野/forward一大堆野比我, 咁即係叫我跟住做照收錢丫, 定係睇下果個係唔係果個問題定係另一個問題, 之後又睇下果個辦法好d定呢個辦法好d...佢講左句我覺得有d值得大家參考既野: "點解人地整左得我地整左唔得既, internet明明話個sensor拆出黎洗下佢就得架喎, 係唔係洗既方法唔同? 又唔係丫, 跟足架喎; 唔講係支cleaner唔同? 可能加拿大同美國同一個牌子/型式既cleaner都有唔同? 不如再洗洗佢?"

老實講, 佢果個問題有兩個只不過係佢絲咪之前冇留意, 一路行到佢唔得果刻先整, 冇計....

再講, 一架著唔到既車一次過搵到八個問題既都唔係冇見過, problem over problem 既時候始終都要整, 好多時候只不過因為一樣野有問題唔整(有時候真係唔知)而導致其他野壞, 咁到頭整一個問題唔整另一個跟本唔一定行得通?!

好似今日整架漏電油, injector o-ring漏不過原來係因為個fuel pressure regulator窒左, 換完d injector o-ring之後起初冇事渣出去返黎又聞到, 再check個fuel pressure regulator漏, 一拆就個佢窒左...我只係可以講, 佢唔好彩 (換injector o-ring之前已經講過, 好多時候都係個FPR窒導致谷到邊到弱就邊到漏...

shutterbug

38# shutterbug

shutterbug: 咁不如你又解釋一下油尺兩邊既level既成因? 咩野原因導致到有咁既情況出現? 咁即係有冇問題?有既又係邊? 冇既又點解冇問題? 點解換油換密d又會好d? 換密左好多時侯又靜左又順左, 聽你 ...
字典仔 發表於 2009-12-15 22:28

I respect you for spending your time to type such a long post.  I honestly have no idea why the dipstick can have uneven oil level after the oil has been settle for a couple of minutes.  I guess if you check the oil right away after shutting the engine off, there might be a chance the the oil is stuck on the dipstick tubing and when you pull it out it cause uneven level?  I really don't know that's why I want to ask you.  I haven't been working in the auto industry for a long long time so my knowledge could only come from forums, friends, and google.  Also, I'm not a person with lots of free time.  People know me knows that I'm a super busy person.  Asking a question on a forum is faster than me researching by far.

Btw, if you drain the oil for 20 mins when the engine is still hot and you still get dark oil after refilling and starting up.  I guess the reasons could be the engine itself is mistreated pretty badly before, sludge built up, or high mileage with blow-by, etc.

spoonek4

well 咁我相信字典仔唔會係講緊第一次拉支油尺出黎check果陣有uneven囉，我自己通常會check兩三次，視乎支尺易唔易睇啦，如果好似d 07 civic咁用支橙色膠尺就真係要睇多幾次 XDDD，老人家眼唔好....

字典仔

48# shutterbug

其實我一向入油都會入少半Liter, 之後睇下佢差幾多先至大約入到max, 再著車check leak同埋warm起d油, 熄車之後三十秒左右開始睇level, 慢慢入到差唔多, 唔sure我會睇兩三次睇下個level會唔會定落黎; 之後再top up到max...

不過真係有好多車如果換油換得唔夠密 ~ 唔駛好耐, 三幾萬公里已經可以好明顯?! 好似今日整架08 FiT, 12000km, 超低里數, honda叫佢唔夠15%唔好返去換油, 佢今日就已經問我"架車而家好食油(我有問佢係唔係天氣涷左), 同埋有時候架車有怪味(我有問佢入咩油, 佢話入左89之後怪味已經少過87), 咁我話你不如整完再睇下點?! 佢渣左一日, 已經話平時會有怪味既路已經冇左味, 行多一兩個禮拜就會知overall點; 整完第一樣野留意到既就係d油一邊都幾滿咁去到max,另一邊就參差不齊 (雖然係even level), 咁我再望一望, 嘩, 08年而家先12,000km, 唔講仲以為30,000km! 咁我都係叫佢最好都係換油換密d, 頂多半年或5000km (whichever comes first)? 佢做唔做我就唔知喇, 不過架車似乎渣得咁少就更加無謂整殘佢? 就算係渣得多既, 保養得好唔駛架車殘得咁快都係一件好事黎架jei?

我都記得你以前講過你曾經都係同行(不過我唔記得你做邊科), 但係有時候有d野都係我既個人意見, 見到觀察到既盡量唔係比佢惡化, 做左總比冇做係好既, 不過buy唔buy我就控制唔到, 至少我講左心安理得?! 好多野我都想上網或者問下就有答案, 不過好老實講, 但求心安理得咁囉....如果唔warm up, 入87, 8000km換油, 又或者鍾意先換又好, 乜都好, 好似CP講, 時間就係金錢, 搵到既怕咩之後要整要換車?

識我既人都知換油冇可能係十零廿分鐘既事, 唔係唔得不過一定放唔乾淨?! 我放幾粒鐘既都有, 邊放邊整其他, 可以放得幾清咪幾清囉, and i always drain the oil hot. 如果我咁樣放都唔清, 好老實講, 我話唔乾淨唔係順口開河?!

保養對我黎講好重要, 冇一個好既底架車又點會耐用? 之後d人成日話改乜改物, 連最基本既保養好多時候真係都未做好? 我係呢度講咁多, 只不過係重複每一日會同朋友講既野, 岩聽可以聽唔岩聽既亦真係唔好咁介懷, 我冇錢賺 (又或者咁講, 有都唔一定係我賺?), 唔講錢又可必傷感情呢? lol