mcjohnjohn

依家所謂既監察政府，其實係乜都做唔到，你睇那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過，無人阻止到，政府根本唔理民間反對聲音。所有問題既根治方法，就係政制改革，「真普選」才可令政府不得不顧忌人民想法｛因為是人民選佢地出來的），這才真正能做到「監察政府」。
emailyahoo 發表於 2009-12-2 16:18

如果那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過, 係唔係代表泛民起唔到監察政府既作用? 唔會卦...

ricrick

講真，我真係好想睇到有咩好戲，好緊張啊

emailyahoo

如果那個六百億高鐵是一定會通過, 係唔係代表泛民起唔到監察政府既作用? 唔會卦...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-2 01:51

民主黨講左會投棄權票啦！

mcjohnjohn

民主黨講左會投棄權票啦！
emailyahoo 發表於 2009-12-2 17:25

咁係唔係因為民主黨投棄權票而唔支持佢地呢?
唉, 佢支持又好, 反對又好, 都有佢既理由, 呢d 野我都控制唔到.
其實, 佢地棄權之後, 動議係唔係一定可以通過? 佢地點解投棄權而唔投反對or贊成? 呢度有冇人知?

sheep

咁係唔係因為民主黨投棄權票而唔支持佢地呢?
唉, 佢支持又好, 反對又好, 都有佢既理由, 呢d 野我都控制唔到.
其實, 佢地棄權之後, 動議係唔係一定可以通過? 佢地點解投棄權而唔投反對or贊成? 呢度有冇人知? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-2 08:09

你嚮香港甘近
去問民主黨
番泥話我知

Lik

其實佢地係唔係只有咁樣做先可以做到全民公投既效果?
我只怕泛民o係立法會既人數不足以否決政府一d 勞民傷財既議案, 我靠哂佢地監察政府架!
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-1 22:32

MJJ, you (and a lot of HK citizens) really need to understand how LegCo works.

I don't have a crystal clear idea of how their stupid system works either, but I do know that for a lot of the policies to pass, LegCo only requires a simple majority (over 50% support). With the presence of functional constituency, the HKSAR gov will almost always get their wishes granted. IIRC, the stupid highspeed train funding approval falls under this type of rule. This is one reason why we need to get rid of the evil functional constituency.

For some other policies, I think it needs majority support within both the functional constituency and among the directly elected members. If majority support is absent in either group, the bill falls through. Given the vast difference in views between the pan-democrats and the establishments, this requirement essentially renders LegCo to be completely useless.

For gov and/or policies proposed by the CEO (not 100% certain here), LegCo needs 2/3 majority support to pass. HKSAR CEO's policy address / policy reform bills fall under this category. This is why some people say the pan-democrats need to maintain the 23 seats in LegCo to veto the government's policies.

-Lik

Lik

咁係唔係因為民主黨投棄權票而唔支持佢地呢?
唉, 佢支持又好, 反對又好, 都有佢既理由, 呢d 野我都控制唔到.
其實, 佢地棄權之後, 動議係唔係一定可以通過? 佢地點解投棄權而唔投反對or贊成? 呢度有冇人知? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-2 07:09

Wrong!

As voters, you have the power to influence and change their stance. As elected members of LegCo, Democratic party candidates are supposed to listen to their voters. They certainly don't have to, but voters will punish them in the next election by casting their votes for someone else. This is how democracy works.

Based on the stuff you wrote, it is obvious to me that you don't really believe in the democratic system, nor do you really understand how it works. Sad.

-Lik

soli

As elected members of LegCo, Democratic party candidates are supposed to listen to their voters. They certainly don't have to, but voters will punish them in the next election by casting their votes for someone else.

所以咪應該係投人﹐唔係投議題囉~ 哈哈
選左出黎擺明唔代表自己﹐o甘笨邊個肯做呀?

不過點都好﹐我絕對贊成總辭﹐唔好拖拖拉拉啦。

ricrick

ricrick