peter236

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-5 04:05 發表

I agree with you on this point, Ovaltine, and that is precisely what some of us have been trying to do here -- to point out that China is practicing uncivilized diplomacy by blindly refusing the Kitt ...

You still do not get it. There are many reasons for China to deny these naval visits. The US recognizes Taiwan as part of China, but is still selling weapons to Taiwan province even after China had protested.

The US recognizes Tibet as part of China, but the US congress gave an award to Dalai Lama, even after China had protested.

You know, this is not the Ching dynasty, China is much stronger than before and China is now taking a srong stance against uncivilized US actions. This is about sending a strong signal to the US bigots. Like you said, you want China to act strongly against foreign bigotry. The US has finally backed down for now. As we all know, these actions taken by China are already very civilized compared with all the uncivilized actions taken by the US around the world.

When you play power politics with the western colonialists, you don't use terms like "civilized" or 'humanitarian". That's how the game is played.

siumaibb

中國好似唔夠大方，除非佢地覺得隻艦影響到香港中國安全
唔好咁小家啦，你敬人一呎人地先會敬返你一丈

yungfourfour

原帖由 peter236 於 2007-12-6 03:04 發表




You know, this is not the Ching dynasty, China is much stronger than before and China is now taking a strong stance against uncivilized US actions.

When you play power politics with the western colonialists, you don't use terms like "civilized" or 'humanitarian". That's how the game is played

I don't even get this ironic message now
if that's how the game is played
US is just playing power politics. (according to what has been written), regardless playing with which colonialists

And if China choose to stand against anything, what's the point of putting it aside?
and what's the point of being consistently rejecting US from docking, when in the end CHINA choose not to bring it up?

When there're things done without a purpose, don't blame others for not respecting it. S/he deserves it.
An analogy would be, adding personal offenses on his/her own argument in an objective, opinion-welcome debate to make it more sound.  And in the end, s/he loses his/ her respect from others.  Disagreeing an opinion by stating someone else's opinion "stupid" is unnecessary.  That act itself is naive.  I am talking the act itself.  Take it personally upon your wish.

[ 本帖最後由 yungfourfour 於 2007-12-6 19:46 編輯 ]

Vincehk

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2007-12-6 16:21 發表
中國好似唔夠大方，除非佢地覺得隻艦影響到香港中國安全
唔好咁小家啦，你敬人一呎人地先會敬返你一丈

我都覺得中國唔夠大方  

但係美國唔會係回敬人地個種國家, 佢地 d 大美國主意太勁, 應為係必然既  

peter236

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-6 21:14 發表

You are quite correct, Vincent. But while the US government may not directly cut the Chinese government any slack, businesses in the US most certainly do not want to risk a poor China-US relationship ...

You still do not get it. Maybe you think China should just shut up if the US sells weapons again to Taiwan.
Don't you even realize that the Dalai Lama has political aspirations, since he led the riot against the Chinese government?
All these western governments are supporting his plans of splitting Tibet from China.

Again, you have to play power politics with the US, instead of acting like a coward.

peter236

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2007-12-6 16:21 發表
中國好似唔夠大方，除非佢地覺得隻艦影響到香港中國安全
唔好咁小家啦，你敬人一呎人地先會敬返你一丈

Nah, just look back at history, you get respect from the US only if you stand up for your rights.
Maybe the US should ask Japan return the Diaoyutai Islands to China. That would be a respectful action.

sonson411

US Navy stay over other country is not "老奉"
i don't see why China has to give reason to reject it...