peter236

China should not block the internet and media at all. The people should be allowed to know everything, including Tianenman.  Since there are so many anti-China stuff out there. Chinese people should realize these things and express their views. Education, economic disparity should be improved, but it will take time due to capitalism.

Mr. Murayama concluded his remarks, and then minister after minister made a pilgrimage to the Yasukuni Shrine.

utopia

If you think Chinese govt is "trying" to calm down people, then you're falling for the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Control media, control opinion, then do a "peaceful rally"?

Disallow falun gong, disallow anything related to Tiananmen, because "congregation" is illegal.

But allow and in fact encourage a bunch of 20-year olds in Shanghai to congregate to lament Nanjing?

You may fall for this drivel. The world doesn't.

peter236

原帖由 utopia 於 2008-2-25 13:17 發表
If you think Chinese govt is "trying" to calm down people, then you're falling for the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Control media, control opinion, then do a "peaceful rally"?

Disallow falun gong, disa ...

What's wrong with lament nanjing, when all the western countries commemorate WWII every year? If China wants to do it, then there would be demonstration outside the Jap embassy every day. For falung gong, these people are strange as they like to occupy public parks around the world. Avoid them in QE park.

utopia

Seriously, do I hate China? I don't. It's their attitude that draw my attention and anger. Yeah, there are many anit-China things going on the world and why can't these people sit down and ask themselves, where does the anger coming from and why people hate them?

Don't just being naive and claim because the world is jealous of their wealth or they can't accept china is growing. These are just BS.

Just like Japan, Japan made very poor quality products in the past and it was even a joke to the world when they mentioned about Japan product. Then, why Japanese product are classified as high quality products then?
Why can't China do the same? People there are just too short sighted and only want to make profit.

utopia

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-2-25 13:22 發表


What's wrong with lament nanjing, when all the western countries commemorate WWII every year? If China wants to do it, then there would be demonstration outside the Jap embassy every day. For falung ...

Nothing wrong about lament najing but it's wrong when they kept saying they will reject Japan goods whereas the whole China are deep down admire Japan. Look at the young generation that red neck about the Japan invasion while they listen to Japan pop and mock their fashion. What's wrong with that??

If they look so high on themselves and hate Japan with a passion, then produce some high quality goods and replace all the Japan products. If they  look so high on themselves, then stop mocking the Japanese fashion.

p.s. and sadly, this is an perfect example of hypocrisy.

[ 本帖最後由 utopia 於 2008-2-25 13:31 編輯 ]

utopia

In my book, an apology looks like a meaningful remorse tendered by prime ministers and leaders from the 1970s until *today*. It includes war reparations in the trillions. It includes no blocking of media for people in Japan who want to know both the sides, even the emotional theatre of China on Youtube and all over the web.

If this is not your idea of an "apology", then it's an issue with you, not with Japan. Even if Japan were to do this cosy little dance of "mutually commemorative" event, there will soon be other Dan and Zan who would want something else, according to their version of "apology".

Japan has done enough. Deal with it.

The Chinese (not you) ignorantly attack Japan on principle. That they are people who will commit atrocities, who will support their own war criminals, and whatnot. That they're an evil people. That "Japs suck".

That's where I mention the *hypocricy* of China. A country that will do what it pleases (against global norms) in its neighbors. A country that will block any perspective other than its own to keep its people in the dark ages. A country that will deflect angst from its own devastation of MILLIONS of people under the stupidest "cultural revolution" to the angst for WWII 60 years ago.

The world is not blind to that hypocrisy, and it is in that context that Tibet, Ladakh, Bhutan merit a mention.

peter236

原帖由 utopia 於 2008-2-25 13:26 發表
Seriously, do I hate China? I don't. It's their attitude that draw my attention and anger. Yeah, there are many anit-China things going on the world and why can't these people sit down and ask themsel ...

You mean when the Japs made lousy products back then, and people still regarded them as high class? That was not even the case in North america. When the Japs made those cars that became rusty within a year, the Americans certainly regarded them as inferior products. If today people choose to bash china, then there must some racial discrimination going on.


These days so many thing are made in China. People around the world keep on buying. In fact most of their products are very good quality. A few bad apples tarnishes the reputation.

peter236

原帖由 utopia 於 2008-2-25 13:28 發表


Nothing wrong about lament najing but it's wrong when they kept saying they will reject Japan goods whereas the whole China are deep down admire Japan. Look at the young generation that red neck abo ...

This is exactly what I taught Traum about. We all know Chinese people are smart people. Then we should contribute to our own high-quality brand name products. People like Traum only knows high to praise the Japs but contribute nothing to the economic development of China/HK. There is nothing wrong to lament Nanjing and people in China only from time to time express their anger towards the Japs war criminals when they deny Nanjing, comfort ladies, alter history book, visit the shrine etc. It's not like they complain every day, unlike what you try to claim here. When the western countries commemorate WWII every year, the Germans do not come out to deny history again. This is something that the Japs need to learn.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-2-25 15:15 編輯 ]

peter236

原帖由 utopia 於 2008-2-25 13:30 發表
In my book, an apology looks like a meaningful remorse tendered by prime ministers and leaders from the 1970s until *today*. It includes war reparations in the trillions. It includes no blocking of me ...

Maybe the western imperialists should leave Australia, New Zealand etc.

peter236

The Jap government still has to repay Hong Kong people for the military money that was in circulation in HK during the war. Today the Japs are still denying Nanjing, confort ladies etc.  Of course, they could not have apologized for something that they have not even admitted of doing.