Lift off for China's second lunar probe probe, Lift, off, lunar, China

peter236

peter236

mcjohnjohn

就正如我先前所說﹐用盡資源培育人才﹐如果國家本身無相應既設施或產業配合﹐提供唔到合適同respectable 既工作﹐人才只會外流益左外國。
俄羅斯就係o甘﹐有頂級人才都留唔住。
蘇俄就係前車之鑒
soli 發表於 2010-10-6 12:11

你係唔係講緊89民運人士李祿? 而家人地係Buffett 既fit 馬啊!

soli

http://www.cdnews.com.tw/cdnews_ ... amp;docid=101311272

國際/諾貝爾物理獎　暴露俄人才流失　2010-10-06 09:56:22
沈子涵/整理

　法新社莫斯科5日電，今年諾貝爾物理學獎頒發給兩位在俄羅斯出生，目前在國外任職的學者，讓俄國人歡欣鼓舞，但是也揭露自蘇聯瓦解後，俄國人才大量流失的災難性事實。

　蓋姆（Andre Geim）與諾伏西羅夫（Konstantin Novoselov）因對石墨烯（graphene）的開創性研究，共同獲得諾貝爾物理學獎，他們都畢業於莫斯科物理學科技大學（Moscow Physics and Technology university, MFTI），並都曾在莫斯科地區從事研究。

　在這兩位學者得獎後，俄羅斯總統麥維德夫（Dmitry Medvedev）呼籲政府採取行動，遏止俄國有才華的科學家流失。

　他在莫斯科的教師會議表示，俄羅斯在這方面的主要問題是研究設施老舊。

　51歲的蓋姆自1990年代初期便不在俄羅斯研究，不過他讚許在前蘇聯所受的教育。他告訴國營電視台：「無論在哈佛、劍橋或其他地方，你都無法獲得這樣的教育。」

　但是如此大力讚美也透露一個事實，目前擁有荷蘭國籍的蓋姆早已離開莫斯科地區城鎮琴諾格洛夫加（Chernogolovka），他和諾伏西羅夫都曾在這個城鎮的俄羅斯科學院（Academy of Sciences）固體研究所（Institute of Solids）任職。

　莫斯科物理學科技大學是蘇聯諾貝爾獎得主藍道（Lev Landau）、卡比薩（Pyotr Kapitsa）和謝米昂諾夫（Nikolai Semyonov）所創立，他們也制訂了結合理論教學與實驗室研究的獨特體系。

　蓋姆和諾伏西羅夫是這所學校率先獲得諾貝爾物理學獎的學生，該校普通物理學院院長特魯寧（Mikhail Trunin）承認，他們是在後蘇聯時代典型的「人才流失」時期離開。

　特魯寧說：「他們在這裡也可取得這樣的成就，但是這裡的情況很艱難，尤其是在蓋姆離開的時候，科學家和學生大量流失。」

　數以百計的年輕科學家為了繼續研究工作，離開了俄羅斯，這股潮流持續不斷，尤其是需要廣泛實驗的應用領域專家。

　今年8月滿36歲的諾伏西羅夫，是俄羅斯最年輕的諾貝爾獎得主，但是他目前也持有英國護照。

　專精奈米科技與應用物理學的安佛拉實驗室（Amphora Labs）研究主任英杜卡耶夫（Konstantin Indukayev）指出，儘管蘇聯體系的基本教育基礎無論在理論和實驗研究上，都培養了極為優秀的科學家，「經費和現代設備缺乏，以及生活和工作情況悲慘」，都難以讓他們留下來。

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就正如我先前所說﹐用盡資源培育人才﹐如果國家本身無相應既設施或產業配合﹐提供唔到合適同respectable 既工作﹐人才只會外流益左外國。
俄羅斯就係o甘﹐有頂級人才都留唔住。
蘇俄就係前車之鑒

mcjohnjohn

點解你真係愚蠢到咁
而家消耗咁多能源
唔係改善僅中國人嘅生活
係做僅世界工廠
亦都係響度消耗僅自己中國嘅人力資源
即係廉價勞工
講你係線性思維真係無錯
sheep 發表於 2010-10-6 01:27

隨著中國既發展, 相信唔駛10年就唔會再係世界工廠了.
其實中國最勁既地方就係人力資源, d 外國生意人睇中中國做世界工廠, 都係因為中國人口多, 同埋人工夠平之麻.
慢慢放長雙眼睇下中國既發展啦! 經濟發展, 小弟對中國充滿信心的! ( 民主發展就冇乜信心lu )

mcjohnjohn

風馬牛不相及？你係唔係連咁簡單嘅比喻都唔識呀？知唔知咩叫做未學行先學走呀，死蠢？

中國大西北、山區、內陸幾多地方只會唔係一、二線城市嘅話，生活質數已經同大城差好遠，而如果你一旦再去僻少少嘅農鄉，幾多人連抽水馬桶、雪櫃都無呀！你試吓去美加啲少城鄉、鎮仔睇吓，又睇吓人地會唔會連個屎坑都無水沖？！連呢啲咁基本嘅民生野都未搞好，真係人人有個彩電就算呀？唔通等佢地可以睇住個電視，見到楊利偉話自我感覺良好就對呢啲鄉民有利？

我以前都唔會咁樣吊柒你嘅，但係今次你所講嘅野實在太賤架。你去PK啦契弟！

-力
Lik 發表於 2010-10-6 01:01

果然係牛皮燈籠 (大家都彼此彼此啦)...

我從來冇講過呢d 高科技既野對鄉民直接有利. 問題係, 而家係唔係一定要做哂所有對貧苦既鄉民有利既事, 先可以去發展高科技? 如果你話"係", 咁我真係冇野好講.

中國人口多, 係一個不爭既事實. 要10億以上人口都有一定程度上既生活水平先去發展航天科技既話, 相信要多等20年, 到時科技就再遠遠落後於人, 就好似d 細國家呁要睇d 大國面色做人. 發展航天科技, 唔等於唔去幫助貧苦既鄉民; 唔發展航天科技, 亦唔等於去幫助貧苦既鄉民.

有時, 眼光睇闊d, 睇遠d, 咁會睇多好多野的.

-- 自己都覺得自己長氣既 MJJ

peter236

LOL~

According to your logic, this is merely your opinion only, and I can tell you that it stinks  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-5 10:54

I lectured you on this before. China's space program has big economic benefits, like the GPS, weather satellites, communication satellites, geology satellites etc.

How do you find new mineral deposits? How do you make weather forecasts? All these need to be done with the help of your own satellites. Using the GPS is not free. Without your own rockets launching technologies, you will have to pay other countries to do it for you. Now China can do all these themselves and can make money from launching satellites for other countries.

China space technologies is not the most advanced or cutting edge compare with the US. China needs to just keep up for now. Like you suggest, if China waits for another 30 years, they would be way behind. But a moron like you will never understand this.

It was Taiwan that did not send warships to Diaoyu Island, but you dared not bash Taiwan. Taiwan (like Japan) has defensive agreements with the US, so Taiwan is in a better position to send in the warships, thereby forcing the US into a neutral position. Besides, the Diaoyu Islands are under Taiwan province administration.

BiscottiGelato

I think I have said what I needed to say on this topic. People are always going to argue both sides, maybe because they firmly believe in their points, or maybe they are just arguing just for the sake of winning the argument. Either way I don't really care.

I just hope people here will actually objectively look at the facts I have presented and take something away from them. Hopefully this will contribute in how they will formulate their future opinions on various matters, esp concerning China's policies and concerning Space exploration in general.

BiscottiGelato

LOL~

According to your logic, this is merely your opinion only, and I can tell you that it stinks  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-5 10:54

Thx for noticing that my opinion stinks. Now you know what your opinion smells like and how your sh_tty offensive remarks makes it unbearable for many. At least if you are able to stay rational and objective on your discussion, it ONLY stinks, instead of make you look like a China bashing idiot (the extreme opposite of peter...).

Thinking that China should spend 0 on aerospace and contribute all these funds to social spending is the leftest thing I've heard on this whole thread. You might think you are center-right, doesn't make you one.

rockypath

點解你真係愚蠢到咁
而家消耗咁多能源
唔係改善僅中國人嘅生活
係做僅世界工廠
亦都係響度消耗僅自己中國 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-10-5 09:27

Sorry, you are shooting at the wrong target.

What I said in post #166 was calculated and concluded by experts. Not me.

If you want to tell them 愚蠢, I will be happy to watch you doing so. I would be interested to see whom will be actually called the 蠢仔.