mtr incident without, stopped, follow, normal, opened

cha_wan_mushi

big question.
where does it say on the site that if you enter ...... the premise without BEEPING the octopus card~ you will get fined $500 hkd?

follow by a story~
feel so sorry for my aunt
unfair unfair ><

walked in mtr with her octopus. did her normal BEEP octopus motion
the gate opened. she walked in.
then the attendant stopped her and said she didn't BEEP the machine.
O_o!!  shocked as she was walked in the staff room for "investigation" where they just layed out the rule:
you didn't beep the card
you trespassed therefore you're fined.
just be careful next time.
O_o!
she paid the fine and disputed it~ felt so eat-dead-cat.
the gate opened after her swipe motion~ how does one know if the machine read it or not.
how can one be careful next time if there was a technical difficulty.

MTR confirmed that she did trespass... and didn't refute the charge.
and said since it's her first offence, they will only fine her $500. what.. "offence"  what a diss~~ eat-dead-cat again.

since when penalty is on actus rea and not a combination of mens rea and actus rea?


fine is nothing.
wrongfully accused is a big deal.


i'm trying to find penalty disclaimers.. anything along those lines.

B仔

agree with fibbi.
should have requested to see the video.
but the staff only checked the card if rea ...
cha_wan_mushi 發表於 2011-10-22 14:04

first time i took the mtr, i slowed down to check my balance.. hahaha i got yelled at from behind."5 d la ng goi!"

咁衰？！
呢D人真係要問候吓佢，佢趕住去死定係去送殯

mcjohnjohn

即刻大返個職員, "冇beep 點入呀! 你試比我睇喇, 唔通我識穿牆?"

Catpiano

Well .. if the gate was opened for her .. then it is totally fine wor .. how can she didn't "beep" then?

Well.. it is HK .. so .. easy la..  just yell yell yell ..  may be MTR will pay your auntie back big money tim la !!

cha_wan_mushi

agree with fibbi.
should have requested to see the video.
but the staff only checked the card if read or not.

i think the video would proof that she did do the scan motion.

what is happening is..
they dun care if she did the motion or not.
if the machine didn't read it, and she managed to get in the premise, then she trespass.

B-jai.. i dunno..
maybe fast la~ but i've been fast crossing the entrance and it reads really well.
She is way more experienced with the mtr entrance la~going to work~ coming from work for years.
usual motion of scanning the card is beep and go - habit for years.
Any honest citizen would assume the transaction's done~ go go go.


having said that, i think she should really slow down next time~
the usual efficient (quick to read and enter entrances) entrance is no longer efficient at mtr,   doesn't even give warning...

first time i took the mtr, i slowed down to check my balance.. hahaha i got yelled at from behind.
"5 d la ng goi!"
i can imagine any typical hk residents would beep and go~ need to look back ma?

B仔

會唔會前面嗰個DUT完過完，AUNTIE行得太快嗰閘未閂所以DUT嗰吓其實係前面的？？

fibbi

I think MTR station should have survailance camera. Should request to see the tape before paying...If the gate opens with a malfunction octopus card, shouldn't be any charge at all...

FiChai

My thought:
I trust that your auntie didn't intend to cheat in the first place. So in other words, it's either her octopus card malfunctioned or the entrance machine malfunctioned. No matter in either case, it's surely MTR's responsibility (cuz octopus card is MTR's asset). Your auntie shouldn't pay them at the first time but to ask them to give her evidence, such as to check her card see if there was transaction, and why the entrance gate had opened if she didn't "beep" her card. Any honest passenger using a proper valid octopus card would believe once the entrance gate opens means the card is being transacted and thus they pass through. MTR needs to give solid evidence to prove your auntie has violated their regulation instead of just saying she did. It they can't prove, your auntie needed not to pay. Now maybe it's too late to say "don't pay them", but she might try to write them a serious complaint, saying she was actually innocent and she feels very unreasonable for what she has been treated. She may also try to report her case to media, say "fruit news", which could be powerful sometimes.