Will you guys relocate somewhere else because of the crazy house price lately? somewhere, price, crazy, else, guys

utopia

I've been going to different open houses or show home with my brother lately and I'm totally sick of the price and the quality of the houses in Vancouver...

Especially, after I viewed the overall housing market in US; I'm thinking should I have an alternate plan in mind.

Would you guys pick China  or US?

I have been discussing with caveman about moving to somewhere else; we both love Vancouver but the living cost is very expensive. If an EA programmer (supervisor level) cannot afford to buy a house, then what about us???

I totally not interested in GZ except the $$$. Probably Seattle??  But I also worry about safety, is it really that bad to live in the state? How about Texas?
or the small towns in the states?

Basically, I'm not so worry about my own career as I confirmed with the GM, I can trasfer to other offices if I wanted. They have offices around the world, so either I picked HK, GZ or the states; I can easily be transfer but I just worry about the living condition and overall safety (since it seems like everybody have a gun with them in the states and people are more aggressive)

Alcoholic

maybe tell Caveman that one of the reasons that you love him is because he's a strong man. but on the other hand, you want to be there for him to share his sorrows... & encourage him to open up to you instead of keeping it to himself. its ok that he puts up a face in front of people. but in front of you, there's nothing to hide right? also remind him that he needs to take good care of himself, or else how can he take care of you right?! & the sad truth is, eventually our parents & elders will have to leave us one day... so he needs to be strong.

Alcoholic

Twin,
don't need to be doubtful of DD skill... let's go out tonight & lemme train you! tell caveman to drive you to my place, we have dinner together & get ready together. when we go out, we can leave Caveman behind with Hubby to play together with Wii Fit & comics!!! how's the plan?! AHAHAHAHHA this way, we can have fun, keep caveman occupied, and have a peer-babysitter for out guys!

utopia

And caveman and I were so mo liu last night that we desapartely want to go to your place last night for wii sport and the cosmic hahahahaha

but too bad you are in Richmond and it was around 9:30 , so we just stay at home and continuous our low life... LOL, we are too boring that he went to gym at my place and I play my NDS while waiting for him

p.s. he is at the edge of emotion break down, so that's why I try to keep him busy lor... I can tell  cuz' he starts murmuring stupid things (well, I know he always do hahaha) but that's so not like him... and he told me can't focus on his study at all with all sort of things on his mind.....

I guess he has put too much burden on his shoulder including his uncle crisis. He told me yesterday, for the past two days, they have been on LD for hoursss discussing how to resolved and he forgot to have dinner on Wed night......

utopia

原帖由 Alcoholic 於 2008-5-22 20:31 發表
yeah... how can i go to work with no lil piggy Twin to stuff up with my snacks?!
2 WHOLE weeks with no Twin in the office, no Twin during weekend, no Twin on LYK, no Twin on facebook, no Twin on t ...

TWIN,

LOL, don't worry. I'm gonna bring a laptop with me to Montreal. So I will be a low life and stuck on LYK, facebook & msn & phone everyday after 4:30 for two weeks...

Well, I will study my accounting gei but it's gonna be very boring just me in the hotel room alone ~~

You know what ? I'm still struggling should I visit the club scenes but I don't want to run into some psycho and chop me into millions pieces like the 16 years old in HK .. wuahahhaahha

I haven't learn your fish and ditch skill yet mah, so I highly doubt can I fish an ditch alone there lor

Alcoholic

yeah... how can i go to work with no lil piggy Twin to stuff up with my snacks?!
2 WHOLE weeks with no Twin in the office, no Twin during weekend, no Twin on LYK, no Twin on facebook, no Twin on the phone

katamari

having a good friend like alcoholic is fortunate, utopia, I am sure your twin will miss you a lot if you leave Vancouver

Alcoholic

Twin,
you can ask me about anything anytime you want... whether it's time or not, we can still mo-liu chat about things  

if you have a cruise wedding, of course i'll try my very best to make it (even if hubby can't make it....hehehe ) i already missed that xmas eve cruise with you, i surely don't wanna miss your wedding cruise!! but we can't party TOO hard because afterall, it's YOUR WEDDING dammit! LOL. but i think caveman has no right to monitor a stag night of partying when it's not gonna have accurate observations right? HAHAHAHAHAAH

about restaurant:
knowing how to cook well & cooking COMMERCIALLY is TWO different stories. when you are pressed for time & is making mass repeated production, it doesn't matter how good you cook leisurely.

i think you should just take it easy...BOTH of you. you guys plan TOO MUCH DETAIL for the future. & it doesn't work like that cus future is an unknown factor. one lil change & it will throw you off your detailed plan, & thus you'll feel frustrated. so just plan a rough timeline & highlighted goals... the rest, you really need to go by the chinese saying "see step walk step".

& if you really consider a "backup plan", how will it fit within that detailed "future proposal"? so just relax & look at the NEAR future in front of you. when you're in serious relationship, EVERY woman gambles their future. about how you say you need to "sacrafice alot, work hard etc etc to be with him"... think about it this way: are YOU happy like that? just because he's so aggressive, doesn't mean YOU have to be that way in order to BE WITH him. if he expects that from you, do you think by doing that for him will really create a HAPPY future? think on happiness, rather than always financially ok? that's the #1 point to BE WITH SOMEBODY ---> happiness & COMFORTABLE COMPATIBLE LIFE.

about the mom problem, there's is nothing that can change her way of thoughts & attitude. just like our old long LYK C9 post. you just gotta try your best & suck it up.

being with a man that has no family financial support is fine. as my hubby said to you today at lunch, aside from hard work it's about fate too. there's no guarantee for life. even if you guys both have a good job, & end up making good $ later, doesn't mean by the time you retire you'll still have decent money left. so in a way, it makes no difference.

i agree you don't need to explain so much to people... as long as your close friends understand you is ok. at least me & my hubby both feel that caveman is a great guy, great friend & treats you his very best, & will give you what he has everything...

RELAX

katamari

Utopia, I truly understand your feelings but your logic is kinda messy maybe you just think too much.


If you are planning to spend only 5 years in the states I don't think it's a good decision to open a restaurant. To establish a business, it is going to be a very long term investment and there are risks behind, especially the restaurant is going to be in Texas where you know nothing it, marketing will be difficult. My uncle is a real example, gave up his job in San Francisco and opened a restaurant is a small town in Ont, invested like 90% of his asset, finally... close down in 1 year, now back to San Francisco, BROKE.

If you 2 have good educational background, you should look for a job if you are only targeting on money.

I am not discussing going to States or not at this point, there must be too many questions on your head, you're thinking too much la, don't make up too much plans at once la. Good luck!

kaimui22

原帖由 utopia 於 2008/5/22 10:46 AM 發表


About the restaurant, we will leave the restaurant to his uncle. If his mom choose to stay at the states, she can stay. If not, she can choose to come back to Vancouver with us.

To be selfish or f ...

So....either way, I still think opening a restaurant with such little experience is too much of a risk. Especially if you're just gonna let everything go and come back in 5 years. Opening a restaurant in the states is not going to solve any issues...it's not going to make tonnes of money for you, nor is it going to deal with Caveman's mom. It sounds more like a 拖得就拖 situation..and HOPEFULLY caveman's mom will decide to stay in the states and look after the restaurant.

So what happens if you move to the states, open a restaurant, make OKAY $$ and then come back to Van? What will happen to you and Caveman if his mom decides to give up the restaurant and move back to Vancouver with you and him? How can you be sure that the money you have earned in the states will be enough for you to buy a house in Vancouver in 5 years? Also...5 years, A LOT can happen. what if you have a baby? Then that means a 3 bedroom house will not be big enough for you, caveman, his mom and kid(s). Then you will probably need to look for a 4 or 5 bedroom house in Vancouver...and you're going to come back here with the same issues as now...the housing market, no matter how bad it goes down, it will not be below the averages you see now. In 5 years, a $800 000 house now might still cost $800 000. Just because the market is going down doesn't mean the prices will. And in 5 years, where will the inflation be?

I still think it's too much of a gamble to take right now...and also, even if Caveman can 'predict' the future market trends, I still think it is too dangerous to assume everything will be fine according to plan. There are many roadblocks in life that you cannot expect. Your plan assumes everything will be fine, everyone will be healthy and OK...but you need to think about possible roadblocks and accidents that may happen along the way.

And the thing you said about Caveman's mom being lonely and depressed...I think she needs a bit more attention right now, especially since her brother died. Maybe she's worried she'll lose Caveman to you and that is why she is holding on to him like a lifeboat.