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Kwantlen BBA is Unethical!

I found kwantlen's BBA program is pretty unethical. let me tell u why...

Entrepreneurial Sales and Customer Service
in a 4th-yr Sales course, i need to sell $3500 scholarship for the school in order to pass the course. many students tried so hard to do cold-callings and visits, but still failed to meet the quota. to make the situation worse, Donators can choose to donate in different time period. if they signed up for a 5-yr donation of $5000, only the first year $1000 is counted toward the student credits.

i heart that some students argued with the profs but they ended up giving in but still failed, bcuz of the prof's prejudice.

students already paid to attend the course, but still need to earn money for the school to graduate.

Entrepreneurial Leadership Practicum (6 credit hours)
in this course, students need to start to a real business for at least 6 weeks. each business is ranked by their profit. of cuz the top half of the class will pass and the bottom half will fail.

ALL business profits go to the school!!

another part of this course is a consulting project which students need to provide a consulting report to a real company. if the company does not accept or implement the recommendation by the students. the students fail this project, which also lead to a failing grade.
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i just need to vent my anger...i mean, most students are not rich and many are taking 2 PT jobs to pay for their tuition fee and textbooks, but Kwantlen still doesn't feel for our hardship and try to dig into students' pocket for more money.

i am going to take the Practicum next semester...wish me luck!

Also, any idea for a small business?? i have a few ideas in mind:
1) sell 雞蛋jie
2) sell bottle water in front of sky train, etc (some students did that b4!)

wow... ar u serious??? you have to do all that to get a degree?  and it's a degree from Kwantlen we're talking about

I used to study in Kwantlen too, but I only took U tran.  I finished my degree in SFU.  I remember the last couple of 4th year course, we need to do presentations to "teach" all chapter.  That's right, prof just did intro in class #1 and the rest of the semester he just sat there to listen to us.  I felt kind of rip off already.... but actually sales for Kwantlen?? wow, u're right!  That just plain unethical!!

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Um.... enough for Vanc Sun head line?

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I think selling coffee will be better than selling bottle water.  Especially for the morning rush at skytrain station.

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原帖由 mandip4u 於 2008-3-7 18:10 發表
wow... ar u serious??? you have to do all that to get a degree?  and it's a degree from Kwantlen we're talking about

I used to study in Kwantlen too, but I only took U tran.  I finished my degree ...


yeah, i have to go thru all these to get a degree. i think some students bought this case to the court but kwantlen successfully defended the case. they said it is for students to gain practical experience. but i think this is BS. practical experience can be gained by some other means.

why dun famous business school like UBC doesn't have this ****? it still get the reputation from the business market!

原帖由 dumbo 於 2008-3-7 19:55 發表
I think selling coffee will be better than selling bottle water.  Especially for the morning rush at skytrain station.


thx dumbo, it is a good idea. will those sky train patrol bother u if selling stuff in the area?

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Kwantlen's BBA Program is not completely unethical, let me tell you why: (I only have Practicum and Business Strategies left)

Entrepreneurial Sales and Customer Service
In the course outline, you have an option to "opt-out" from the donation project in the first week of class. The instructor will assign another project to substitute the sales project. Of course, a few instructors would not explicitly let students know the alternatives unless the students read the thing. However, the condition for opt-out is:

1) You will not know what the project will be.
2) Once the instructor tells you about the alternative project, you cannot back-out.

Your quota counts only 35% of the sales project portion of the course. You still get points by completing the weekly sales trackers, finding prospects, making phone calls and going to meetings. The 35% quotas is also proportioned to the amount you collected. If your quota is $3500, and you collected $1000, you get 1/3 of the 35%.

There are other activities and paper you need to do in class other than the sales project.

The sales class is set up in a way that if you follow through the process, and proactively doing the activities weekly, even you don't make the quota, you will still manage to pass. Every dollar helps, if you can find 20 people and each person donate $10, that $200 will count towards your quota, but won't count as a "sale".

My quota was $2500 w/ $500 minimum per sale. I made 2 sales at the end with a total of $1000. I passed the course with a C, which I don't care because it is not a pre-req for anything else.

Bottomline: There are many ways to pass this course even if you don't close a sale. If you are aiming for an A, then you better start working and get the $$$ in early to get the bonus. If you are aiming to pass, just follow through and don't wait till the end.

Entrepreneurial Leadership Practicum (6 credit hours)
This is probably the most challenging course that will involve quitting the jobs because the commitment of this class is so much. Kwantlen should split this into 2 semesters because 2 projects going on con-currently is just depressing. Depending on who is teaching, I can be certain that if you are taking it from instructor "C", you better start planning your team members. Instructor "C" is probably the worst instructor for ENTR because he either likes you or hates you. He is so busy with his own business that he would cancels weekly meetings with students.

If done correctly, you should have built some networking with businesses so finding a business should not be too hard. The best is to find someone who you know and will work for you.

Business idea for summer: Car Washes. I can guarantee if you wash 3 days a week at 8 hours a day. You will make quite some money. The biggest cost to you is labour, and materials are all fixed cost.

I agree that the profit should not be given to Kwantlen, it should be a fair split. I do feel it's quite tough to go through these 2 courses and I know a few people need to do them 2 times to pass. These 2 courses simply "drain" lives out of students, and those who commit to the course will pass.

Philip

[ 本帖最後由 pkphilip 於 2008-3-7 23:49 編輯 ]

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hey philip, this is quite informative, thx.

i guess there is no point to fight with the policy. i just wanna finish these 2 courses and get them over with.

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But I still think go out to make money for the school doesn't sound right!?  Why can't these money go toward some kind of non-profit!?

I do believe this is something that should bring out to the media..!?

EL

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actually to make it clear, the money students make from sales classes goes to the kwantlen's scholarship fund

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