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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-6 17:14 發表 Why playing Mah Jong is not allowed (should say prohibited) in church but poker cards is (usually used for bridge games)?


邊個同你講架?... 小弟六歲開始打麻雀, 打到廿幾歲先開始唔打乍.

However, Christians can have anger feeling, and if they feel angry and want to vent out, they can drink a big glass of water, take a shower, shout out loud... , and why not swearing (to nobody) just to release their own anger?


邊個同你講架?... 小弟讀書既時期講好多粗口的, 出左黎做野就冇講了.

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-7 00:00 發表
read the bible and see who offend who first


請問係邊一篇? 大約第幾章同第幾節?

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 05:02 發表
I think the original passage is to point out "基督徒八大惡劣特徵", not "基督教八大惡劣特徵". Who dare to say those 8 characters are not commonly found within Christians (say "immature ones)? The writer didn't say/against anything of "Jesus" and Christianity at all. But then (as usual and expected), many Christians and believers came out to defend hard of what they believe without rational discussion. That's definitely not what non-believers want to see.


At least, I have admitted that there are "不成熟基督徒" in the early post.
Only when someone started to say there is no God, blah blah blah, I discussed with you guys my opinion, what's wrong?

Ultraman, how rational do you want in this discussion? I am okay with rational discussion. Let's start then.

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-7 05:17 發表
此乃一些believes在辯論中一些慣常用的技倆---轉移目標
無錯我曾經批評過神造論﹐但我係想引出他們的一些在辯論既時候既一些問題
you know what? 我成功了。一次又一次的顯露給別人看他們怎樣同時用同一個human
logic去支持自己的理念和deny別人對他們理念的質疑

more real-life example can be given


我諗冇人可以做一個實驗比你睇去證明呢個世界上有人law. 如果你覺得咁係成功, 你真係成功了! 恭喜哂~

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 15:23 發表

You think your method is more scientific than believing a religion?  I disagree.  Before you actually go and have DNA tested, what you think is evidence might not be real evidence.  People can give f ...


You bring up another very interesting aspect, and that is the ability to perform independant verification. Using back the somewhat offensive example. If the birth certificate is faked, I can go test DNA, and if the DNA result is faked, I can test it independantly somewhere else. This is the power of science, it is because the scientific method allow for independant verification of any particular claims. As in science, nothing is 100%, it allows for more evidence to be corrected, such that the probability that the claim is true will be enhanced as more evidence is collected.

Let's use another example. If Einstein lied about one of this claims, we can always have another scientist to reproduce the his result to independantly verify his claim. In fact, we can have hundreds of thousands of scientists of different background to redo his experiments and redo the math. This is the power of science. Even kids can easily do the experiments and do the math themselves to reach their own conclusion. Nobody, no books, and surely no god is required in the process.

On the flip side in religion, particularly Christianity, independant verification will be very difficult. If a priest lies, or the Bible lied, or if 'God' lied, it is almost impossible to independantly verify the claim. The heirarchy of power is simply dangerous, as stated by one of my points in page 3.

Of course, as chunsh have suggested, many 'immature believers' will start claiming that 'god' never lies because 'god' is 'God' and they believe in it, thus the claims are always true and independant verification is unecassary etc etc. But it is apparent that Science is one of the most efficient methodology in guarding against false claims and verifications.

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 05:22 發表
Why it is so difficult to understand why there are many people (non-believers) still not believing this Jesus God (Christinity)?


In my opinion, it is very EASY to understand the reason that many people do not believe Jesus.

Now is talking about Jesus the Christianity God, even 1000x times more abstract and 1000x times more incredible, also can't define/judge/understand by human logic and knowledge, plus many common bad examples around, how to convince people to believe?


你信唔信耶穌從死者中復活? 信唔信天主為左拯救世人而派遣耶穌為大家贖罪丫?
對non-believer 黎講, 一定唔會信. 但對我黎講, 我真係好信架woh.

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原帖由 katamari 於 2009-1-7 06:58 發表
Thanks for your input, I appreciate that. 我聽過有朋友因為動物無得上天堂所以唔buy呢個宗教


動物無得上天堂?... 我連自己有冇得上天堂都唔知啦. 哈哈~

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-7 07:28 發表
This is another bad example, I say... . Why do you think your peer should have no air to continue just because of you quited already? Would your Jesus have no air already? Why do you assume people are anti-God and anti-Christ? They admit that? But thanks for your true-man example, another bad example, immature Christian attitude.


乜野 bad example 呀?... 想朋友慳番啖氣就係 bad example?
真有趣...

不如, 你話我地上LYK係 bad example啦, 咁多時間上LYK都唔去傳福音law, 好未? 哈哈~

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-7 09:24 發表
又黎
又將其他人對他們所問的問題轉開


你估佢係補習老師要答哂大家既問題咩?...

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 18:29 發表


請問係邊一篇? 大約第幾章同第幾節?


第幾章同第幾節doesn't matter, and I am too lazy to find
but answer me
how does bible say about other religions?
they don't just mention it once
did u and your 弟兄姊妹 talk about other religions during gathering time?
what were their opinions about other religion?
when u and your 弟兄姊妹 try to spread your believes to others, did any of you guys mention about how bad are 關帝 and 觀音?

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