rockypath

why don't you share your research or what is the number you have in your mind for pp who died during those years?
raffaello 發表於 2011-4-8 11:20

Okay, I am sick and tired of dealing with those mad dogs and cowards.

Let’s get back to some sensible discussion.

There is no officially published record (at least not I am aware of) to show the exact numbers of people died in the Great Leap Forward (GLP) and the Cultural Revolution (CR). I don’t think the CCP has it either due to the chaos at the time and CCP would prefer to downplay the memory of that dark era.

Based on what I know and was told by local Chinese survived in both GLP and CR. The number of people died in GLP is on a much greater scale compare to the number of CR.

In my opinion, the number died in CR is 20% or less of the number in GLP (there is no scientific proof, but just the number I chose to believe). The number of people died in GLP is a bit easier to be estimated since most of people died due to famine and there are some records can be traced back. If you have no objection to the 20% that I proposed, you can take this number to multiply whatever number of people died in GLP you choose to believe in to estimate the number of people died due to CR.

For example, if you believe people died in GLP is 100 million, then the number for CR will be 20 million which agrees with the number of the M boy posted earlier.

On the other hand, if you believe what Somewhereintime’s number of 50 million died in CR, then you must to believe there were 250 million died in GLP which is about 40% of China population at the time.

Do you think what I say here is reasonable?

rockypath

以我了解文革史料，被整的五個死一個，是合理的。日夜遊街，剃頭批鬥，子女鬥父母，學生鬥老師校長，鬥的目 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 17:34

Didn't you already decide 20 million is the number first and find the reasons to make this number reasonable and practical later?

It is perfectly fine as long as you state that number is your estimation and the criteria you based on. I will have no objection to that unless I have questions on the methods you used to estimate or criteria you chose to consider.

MoiRhapsody

Didn't you already decide the number died in CR is 20% or less of the number in GLP first and find the reasons to make this number reasonable and practical later?

rockypath

Didn't you already decide the number died in CR is 20% or less of the number in GLP first and find t ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 18:21

Based on your knowledge on great leap forward and cultural revolution, do you agree the number of people died in GLF is much greater than CR?
   
Based on your answer, you can decide whatever number you choose to believe in (20%, 50% or 150%, all up to you).

peter236

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MoiRhapsody

第一，呢兩個係唔同既事件，死亡數字冇必然性既關連，由文革死亡數字或由大躍進死亡數字中係冇任何公式去求得另者，所以由五千萬文革人數去假設大躍進死亡數字係完全不成立亦都站唔住腳。歷史唔係數學，呢一條亦都唔係代數公式。唔好再掉人現眼啦～～～

somewhereintime

I already pointed out what you are and what are you doing here.
You  can choose not to believe truth, it is not my problem.Who is avoiding the question here?


You are telling us that the CCP have no record of people died in CR?
CCP have the most detailed  vital stat system in the world, at least for the
urban area; no one was allow to move to another region without permission
from the local authority.

The ration passbook back then was an effective system to control citizen.
I  kept copies  of ration passbook for souvenir from the 70's.

Lik

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sheep 發表於 2011-4-8 20:09

條廢柴次次都係咁㗎啦。講到連最無恥嘅說話都無辦法講嘅時候，咁咪求其 post 啲飛機、大炮、高鐵相出來灌水囉。

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peter236

條廢柴次次都係咁㗎啦。講到連最無恥嘅說話都無辦法講嘅時候，咁咪求其 post 啲飛機、大炮、高鐵相出來灌 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-4-8 22:34

You little white pig, you are just jealous of Chinese economic power and rapid improvement of living standards.