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rockypath

第一，呢兩個係唔同既事件，死亡數字冇必然性既關連，由文革死亡數字或由大躍進死亡數字中係冇任何公式去求 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 20:16

Okay, if you do not like doing estimation, can we do a comparison of these two periods instead?

Just answer a very straight forward question – based on your knowledge of the Great Leap Forward (GLF) and the Cultural Revolution (CR), can you tell us in which period, the GLF or CR, there were more people died?

Don’t make the 20 million an issue. I believe in you and accept that is the truth. Now I just want to know in which period more people died. This has nothing to do with mathematic formula, hasn’t it?

I hope I will get a straight forward answer from you this time.

rockypath

You  can choose not to believe truth, it is not my problem.Who is avoiding the question here?
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-4-8 22:28

How funny.

Would a BS from your mouth with no evidence be called the TRUTH?

How stupid.

Show me the evidence (any, even if it is from FLG) to support your claim of 50 million people died in the cultural revolution.  (this should be the 10th time I asked for supporting evidence from you and you just once again decided to be a coward and dog again).

MoiRhapsody

我唔係好明點解你要用大距進飢荒死亡人數去做佐證？
1958﹣1960年非正式統計係餓死3000萬至4000萬，
咁同文革搞死2000萬，侵華死1800萬有乜關係呢？？
你最好上堂讀多啲書，扭少啲老師計。

rockypath

我唔係好明點解你要用大距進飢荒死亡人數去做佐證？
1958﹣1960年非正式統計係餓死3000萬至4000萬，
咁同文 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 23:48

Can I ask you this question – if you look up articles or books either published in China or internationally, why is the estimated number of people died in the Great Leap Forward 10 ~ 30 times of people died in the Cultural Revolution? These ratios were consistently agreed by scholars and historians.

Do you agree on this conclusion (and the ratios) derived by scholars and historians? If you do not agree with those scholars and historians,  can you tell us the reasons why?

MoiRhapsody

show me the source.
and i can give you the reason i don't believe in their estimation.
GLP is an planning failure, yet CR is an ugly political struggle which pull the whole nation into the **** hole. For the sake of ruling authority, CPP later minimized the result of CR.
王震happened to say "20millions ppl" in 64 is referring to the death toll in CR.
read more books.

rockypath

show me the source.
and i can give you the reason i don't believe in their estimation.
GLP is an pla ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-9 00:24

Okay, look at the sources yourself and tell us your conclusion.

Even FLG agrees on the ratios (10 ~ 30) derived by both Chinese and international scholars and historians around the world.

Source #1:         Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Primary Megadeaths of the Twentieth (provided by Daimo)

http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

Source #2:                红太阳下的一份非正常死亡者名单 (provided by 法輪功)
大躍進期間：
“一九九一年，我曾经估算过中国大饥荒的非正常死亡人数，是两千四百七十万。最近，我又根据中国政府新公布的人口统计数字，重新作了计算，得出的结论是，中国在三年大饥荒中至少饿死了三千万人。”

文化大革命期間：
“以上谈的仅仅是文革中几个大事件的非正常死亡，概而论之，文革中非正常死亡人数至少在二百万，也许高达三百万。”

http://www.kanzhongguo.com/node/393598

P.S. I am just wondering why FLG was so stupid and did not state the number for people died in cultural revolution as ２千萬 instead of 三百萬 since 葉劍英 had admitted there were 20 million die. Or even 50 million if Somewhereintime can provide them any evidence they can refer to.  

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回復  Lik


我夠由始至終都無贊過中共做得啱喎，我最多叫做中立，至於擦呀爺鞋就更加大家有眼睇，
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fy789 發表於 2011-4-7 08:04

Exactly my view, and why I don't bother with Lik's posts anymore.

All talk no walk.  More importantly, talking to the wrong crowd and pretend he is doing something constructive while in fact he is dividing LYKs.

Sigh... after 2005, the LYK board is pretty much a walking dead.

somewhereintime

How about 5,000 dead in 1975 Tangshan earthquake?
No casualty or Gun shot at Tiananmen Square on June 4, announced and broadcasted
by Xinhua Agency.  How true is that? or it is your usual BS?
The CCP have no track record of millions of missing people?   And you choose to believe.
I  trust  the scholars in Hong Kong listed earlier, they did in-depth research
and  studies few years after the CR,  I quoted from their books.
Mr. Louis  Cha is a man of high respect, even the CCP trust him as the convenor
of  HK Basic Law after 20 years criticizing China in his media empire.
I quoted , as the scholars stated theat there were  50 million death related to the CR,
not killed directly by the little red devils and PLA.
If you, as a Chinese Canadian studied in Canada believe that what the CCP doing
is absolutely right, you can live in your fantasy realm. After all,  as self-proclaimed 2nd generation
CCP elite aristocrat, you have every right to stick up your clan. People like you are everywhere in Canada
and USA.  Viva 富二代，官二代
My uncles died as honoured Martyrs  for CCP, and I survived  the Great Famine, I understand the nature
of CCP.  Well , you can choose to deny it as usual.
I choose to live in Canada and promote Chinese culture  oversea .
Please do not try to confuse people, I despise CCP for their ugly nature, I remain a proud decendent of
the great Chinese civilization and continue the legacy.