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TWhat do I have to say? It will depend on what your argument is. The outdated 戶藉 system is a fact and existing social issue. You can state your points, take your stand and make your argument. I will be happy to play devil advocate.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-14 14:58

What's the point of laying out an argument with you though? From your remarks above, it is obvious that you are arguing for argument's sake.

-Lik

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-14 15:28 編輯
LOL ..

What is the different between "NOT NEW" and "OUTDATED"

When Lik said .. it is "OUTDATED"  ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-4-14 14:32

you stupid stupid moron. "not new", means this 戶藉 issue has existed for quite some time. It's not like it is a recent issue.
"outdated", means the 戶藉 system needs to be reformed, to adapt to the rapid economic growth of China..
You can't even comprehend English.

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本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-14 15:54 編輯
What's the point of laying out an argument with you though? From your remarks above, it is obvious  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 15:25


The outdated 戶藉 system is a fact and social issue. And you should provide me a base to comment on if you are interested in what I would have to say.

I would expect you understand the difference of existing facts and POV on an existing fact. Don’t tell me you do not understand I ask for your argument is asking for your POV but not to argue with you.  LOL…..

simaibb at least stated his POV - 我諗中國要壯大,真係要改善民生先,但係要改善民生我諗靠宜家個政府真係唔意。真係希望共產黨快d收皮。。。

Got it?

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It's just another issue of self-interest.  Self-interest pretty much explains a lot of things.  But who doesn't want to protect his/her self-interest? As someone born and living in the city, would you want your city to be flooded with legitimate residents from the villages?

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WOW ..

Since when .. Mr. Moron is so good in "NON-CHINESE"  

LOL ..

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It's just another issue of self-interest.  Self-interest pretty much explains a lot of things.  But who doesn't want to protect his/her self-interest? As someone born and living in the city, would you want your city to be flooded with legitimate residents from the villages?
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-4-14 15:58

It's more than an issue of self-interest because at its core, the problem lies in greed, inequality, and social injustice. The migrant workers are being taken advantage of for their cheap labour and their obedient good nature. They've done their part and contributed their youth and their lives to their country's economic growth, and yet they continue to be treated as second class citizens in their own country by the government. In fact, they are treated as dirty laundry and swept under the carpet (having to return to their native villages) when they've out-lived their usefulness -- ie. the moment factory workers start to get old and can't keep up with the demanding production quotas, they are either fired or forced to resign.

(Of course, the situation has improved quite a bit in the last year or two when lots of migrant workers decided to not return to Guangdong for work. But that doesn't change any of the injustice around the 戶藉 system.)

On the other hand, those with money and in positions of power can continue to manipulate the system to suit themselves. If you have the dough, you can buy yourself a residency status even in Shanghai.

-Lik

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本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-14 17:32 編輯
They've done their part and contributed their youth and their lives to their country's economic growth, and yet they continue to be treated as second class citizens in their own country by the government....
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 17:00


Lik,

You have a good heart but you didn’t want to spend time to do some research on the topics that you are interested in. Making 膚淺comments like this just weaken your points and shows that you might lack of the ability to look at issues with balanced view and make objective judgments.

Maybe you should ask this question first – “why is the 戶籍 system outdated and ineffective NOW and had the戶籍 system been useful before?”.

I would suggest you to lookup some information on this question and you should have a better understanding on this issue.

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It's more than an issue of self-interest because at its core, the problem lies in greed, inequality ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-14 17:00

Lik, your points sound reasonable. We are all aware about this. But how do we solve this issue? It is very easy to allow hundreds of millions of people to walk into Beijing, Shanghai etc, but you still need the time to build up the infrastructure.

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Lik, your points sound reasonable. We are all aware about this. But how do we solve this issue? It  ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-14 17:34



    good point, you need cheap labour like the farmers to build them

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The situation is clear.  You can come to work, but there's no benefits for you.  If you still want to come, welcome.

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