rockypath

In Vancouver, if you don't like Translink, you can drive.  But in HK you don't have much choice, in particular if you live in 天水圍....
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 10:30

Can we do anything to Translink for its forever increasing budget and burden to our property tax and fuel tax? Translink's hands are not only in bus fare.

Just like I said, the rules and regulations were set and they should be followed even if the HK government is the biggest shareholder. Otherwise, why do we need to have the rules and regulations at the first place at all?

Change the rules and regulations if it is not fair and reasonable. People are just shooting at the wrong target.

peter236

The issue is HK Government is the largest shareholder in MTR.  It is like left hand approve right ...
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 10:30

You can take the bus or the MTR.

Here the government makes the Translink looks like it is not government. So it does not get blamed.

If the HK government sells all its shares in MTR to private owners, it will be worse. People can no longer blame the government.
So whether MTR is fully or partly owned by government, people will blame it. The best is to do is HK government sell all the shares, and let the HK people blame the private owners.

Catpiano

In Vancouver, if you don't like Translink, you can drive.  But in HK you don't have much choice, in particular if you live in 天水圍.blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 10:30

    Well what is the different? .. same in HK .. especially live in 天水圍...  U can drive if you don't want to take bus. Or say better drive. There is no MTR there too ...

Lik

師兄，

唔好玩啦？你叫天水圍啲人揸車？佢地有車揸嘅話就唔使搞埋啲咁嘅野啦？



連民仔都出得來丙政府嘅時候，你就知道問題有幾嚴重。

-力

Catpiano

師兄, few friends of mine lived in 天水圍 ...  they drive wor ..  and most of their neighbor drive too ..

Should say that, some people live that far, because they want to own a car and enjoy ..  low cost for parking .. more space ..  

Even those Government homes in HK ..  lots of cars too .. can't say all people live in 天水圍 are low income, and can't afford car.

Lik

師兄，

我都有個 friend 嘅老竇老母住響天水圍，佢地都係退休中產人士，生活無憂。但天水圍主要係個窮人地區定係有錢人區，我諗大家都心裡有數啦：

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5 ... 7.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C

成卅萬人咁大嘅一個社區，但連醫院都無，咁嘅社區規劃都唔算徹底失敗嘅話，我都真係無野講囉...

-力

blue20ae

You can take the bus or the MTR.

Here the government makes the Translink looks like it is not gov ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-7 11:45

First of all, I never said Translink is any good.  Translink is a cancer in Vancouver and it sucks our tax dollar into an inefficient system.  

But you need to bear in mind Translink is net neutral. They take tax dollars from parking, property tax to subsidize mass transit, whereas MTR is the other way round.  HK Government, as the biggest shareholder, take money out of mass transit and pays for the $6000 per head candy.

Also HK Government being a shareholder approves MTR rate adjustment is a conflict of interest.  They should either fix the rate adjustment to an index or get rid of all the shares.

blue20ae

回復 12# peter236

Of course you can walk and 行路上廣州 as well.  Be realistic.  

Say, if you have a job in Central, you pretty much have to use MTR.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d& ... Park%3B+Tin+Shui+Rd,+Tin+Shui+Wai,+Hong+Kong+(Tin+Shui+Wai+Park%3B+Tin+Shui+Road)&daddr=Central,+Hong+Kong&hl=en&geocode=FRihVgEddIzLBin7M_kNh_ADNDF92A5MTeHPXQ%3B&mra=ls&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=05%2F07%2F11&time=3:41pm&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&sll=22.454552,114.00306&sspn=0.006276,0.011362&ie=UTF8&start=0&z=12

peter236

First of all, I never said Translink is any good.  Translink is a cancer in Vancouver and it sucks our tax dollar into an inefficient system.  

But you need to bear in mind Translink is net neutral. They take tax dollars from parking, property tax to subsidize mass transit, whereas MTR is the other way round.  HK Government, as the biggest shareholder, take money out of mass transit and pays for the $6000 per head candy.

Also HK Government being a shareholder approves MTR rate adjustment is a conflict of interest.  They should either fix the rate adjustment to an index or get rid of all the shares.
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 14:39

The parking fee and property taxes that Translink takes could have been used by the city hall on improving local schools. So Translink is not neutral at all.

The money for the $6000 came from many sources, not just the MTR. Most of HK government's money comes from selling expensive lands at auctions and from the stock market trading tax.

blue20ae

The parking fee and property taxes that Translink takes could have been used by the city hall on i ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-7 19:52

You may know what is going on in China, but you need to learn the politics in Canada before commenting, my friend.  The 21% parking tax is in the legal right of Translink, no one can touch it.
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries ... 8030_01#section30.1

HST is payable on top of the parking tax and it ends up to be 35.52% of taxes for parking in metro Vancouver.  This is the price for clean air.