hium

我淨係知以前啲同學大部分都係香港移民嚟嘅， 大學畢業之後個個雞咁腳咁回流晒， 跟住好多都近哩幾年啲細路出世喇就自動攞加拿大護照， 計劃o係香港讀多幾年書就送佢哋過嚟讀書升學， 跟住大學畢業之後又再回流， 無限 Loop。
我無咩所為因為想當年我地阿爺阿嫲老豆老媽子一樣做過類似嘅事， 都係為下一代設想遮？

BiscottiGelato

Plenty of immigrants definately are leaching off from the Canadian gov'ts coffer. Esp those rich bastards who still leaches off all sort of benefits and social assistance here. They are eligible since they do not have a local income stream, but have large pile of cash or other income flows from unreported foreign sources.

I know many hongers being some of the worst offenders in this regard. On this, Mainlanders are just merely following hongers.

This is not the same as 雙非. But the net effect is additional burden on the local infrastructure and essentially leaching off legitimate taxpayer's money. Often times, these taxpayers that gets the extra burden are the very childrens of these rich immigrant bastards.

快樂牛郎

Yes, just Karma. Nothing to complain.

randommike

I agree that it is the same thing. It's only harder to go to US/Canada or Australia so there are less cases. Pretty sure, we all know someone who has done the same thing.

Another case is people who went back after university/college. University/college is heavily sponsored by government so that's another cost to Canada.


p.s. 雙非索女 is hot.

imvitasoy

返來讀書，然後又走佬的，不外是本科生，唔值錢嘅。有睇Steven Cheung經濟分析的應該知道，本科大學教育的邊際成本，並不是想像中的高 (醫療之類的專科除外)。跳板心態，正如大陸學生在香港讀大學，讀得好的基本上都會選擇留下工作。你老哥在UBC 畢業 ，如果有job offer ,  我估你都唔會較腳返香港/大陸。 正如美國佬講： 人材根本不會外流，外流的，根本不是人材。

走佬的畢業生，當中一部分在亞洲/美國工作若干年，不排除會再回流，帶回寶貴工作經驗，可以為瘋葉製造更多好處。其實這方面瘋葉國節省了不少勞工訓練費用(比基礎大學教育更貴)，可惜瘋葉佬中意玩既得利益遊戲，沒有人盡其材。假假地亞洲金融中心嘅銀行經理，要做文員，就係荒謬到極既真實。

移民不同蝗蟲衝關生仔，移民是要申請嘅。移民部班官不會是食塞米， 計過數如果無好處，會唔會三十年來瘋狂吸納亞洲(特別是中國) 移民? 語言不同膚色不同，你估貪你黃臉佬靚仔 ？  在這裡要為大陸人講句公道話，近十年無佢哋投資/喪炒溫哥華 real estate ,  BC人未來10~20 年的退休金可能水瓜打狗無一大截。

peter236

There are very few people immigrating from Hong Kong to Canada these days. So the number of people moving back is also small. The number of people moving back and forth is even smaller.

BiscottiGelato

返來讀書，然後又走佬的，不外是本科生，唔值錢嘅。有睇Steven Cheung經濟分析的應該知道，本科大學教育的 ...
imvitasoy 發表於 2012-3-4 12:13

I agree that more talents are eroded towards the US more so than Asia. As you said, if one can find a job locally, why'd they go back to Asia? That said, if I can find a job in the states (Cali for Tech, Chicago/NY for Finance), why stay in Vancouver/Toronto, etc?

If the incoming immigrants plays by the rules, then the math done by the immigration department holds. However, many don't. They avoid taxes, fakes global income and asset levels, ripping off benefits off the locals that actually needs it, etc. The added load on the local tax base effectively penalizes the average legitimate taxpayers, the same way mainlanders puts burden on the HK working class.

The difference tho is, there are potentially up to 1.3 billion mainlanders flocking to HK, which holds a population of 7 million. Where-as there are only around 6.5 million HK'ers potentially flocking to Canada which has a population of 30+ million. Along with much more rational immigration policy that Canada imposes, comparing to policy which literally encourages selling out HK piece by piece to mainlanders... that's how the net result is starkly different.

imvitasoy

I agree that more talents are eroded towards the US more so than Asia. As you said, if one can find a job locally, why'd they go back to Asia? That said, if I can find a job in the states (Cali for Tech, Chicago/NY for Finance), why stay in Vancouver/Toronto, etc?

唔係喎,  真系未必喎，無錯好多瘋葉人想落花旗搵工易，但亦唔少CA人想來BC 因為免費medical喎。估計Toronto vs NY 亦有類近情況，在下有個聊友在NJ 失業四年，連出街都唔敢因為無保險coverage ,  成日問我有咩方法relocate去Ontario.  另外，瘋葉大學/學院收留左唔少花旗一流大學嘅二等教授，美國佬叫果班 second class brain,  唔少在UT,  Waterloo…..  (唔知道UBC 啦)


If the incoming immigrants plays by the rules, then the math done by the immigration department holds. However, many don't. They avoid taxes, fakes global income and asset levels, ripping off benefits off the locals that actually needs it, etc. The added load on the local tax base effectively penalizes the average legitimate taxpayers, the same way mainlanders puts burden on the HK working class.

我希望我眼花，你意思係話，移民瞞稅，令到瘋葉移民部計錯數 ？
從1980 年 一直計錯數,   錯到今時今日？ 錯足30 年,  錯到今時今日，仍然未停地，不斷地，年年地， 月月地,  全方位吸納咁PK 衰格既移民 ？
……… Common sense 話我知，一係黃臉佬真系靚仔D ，一係瘋葉移民部真系食塞米，你想我信邊樣 ？

The difference tho is, there are potentially up to 1.3 billion mainlanders flocking to HK, which holds a population of 7 million. Where-as there are only around 6.5 million HK'ers potentially flocking to Canada which has a population of 30+ million. Along with much more rational immigration policy that Canada imposes, comparing to policy which literally encourages selling out HK piece by piece to mainlanders... that's how the net result is starkly different.

呢段在下基本上無意見，不過在下感覺,  瘋葉移民政策， 更像tourism 多一些。

peter236

You guys are fixating too much on China/Hong Kong. The leading abusers in Canada are most likely from the Philippines and India, the top two immigrant sources for Canada.

blue20ae

By definition immigrant <> 雙非.  

Immigrants are legit and approved; whereas 雙非 lied about their purpose of entering.