大C姐

我本來都想開呢個topic不過又冇一個好好嘅例子所以一即冇講關於工作上嘅政治。

無論係你提出先定係你個manager提出先，你嘅動作都算係＂跳草裙舞＂啦。我本人覺得除非你真係有２００％信心，我覺得就算offer多啲錢俾你stay，都係有多少危機。

首先唔好講你manager會唔會懷疑你嘅loyalty，因爲佢可能走先過你。但係公司立場，佢升你一級，可能你immediate manager都唔係搵多你２５％。咁條數點計？

OK，我當有另一個position適合，咁你都要諗點解一開始唔consider升你去嗰個位先？你可以出去搵工，公司都可以去搵多幾個candidates去增加競爭。再講，如果係大公司，你manager都仲有上頭，都要justify點解喺冇interview過其他人之前就直接升你。其實都未必＂啱規矩＂。

學你話齋，佢咪俾啲希望你令你等，當你turn down咗其他offer就係另一回事。

Prelude

If your company wants to gives you a raise in order to keep you, they wouldn't fire you. Curious w ...
librazhy 發表於 2012-10-26 07:57

IT Support Manager's job is make sure things get done and reduce expense to as low as possible.  I wouldn't be surprised if she is bs'ing all along.  The developer position she was referring to is in another department under different manager, so she said the pay is higher there.

The restaurant was a family-run, so I had to stay there.

布小熊

If you company is not small, going in between departments needs agreement from both managers.
Good luck!

Prelude

我本來都想開呢個topic不過又冇一個好好嘅例子所以一即冇講關於工作上嘅政治。

無論係你提出先定係你個man ...
大C姐 發表於 2012-10-26 09:19

My company is a huge company that dominated the West Coast for 20 years until now.  Tons of competitions come in and undercut my company because they have labour lower cost (front-end employee: minimum wage vs our unionized $30/hr with no education requirement).  PS. That is for front-end employee at the store, I am at head office, non unionized.

Most of the people I work with have been working there for 10+ years and they get very high pay.  I would expect my team-lead to make 80%+ than me.  Even the young dude who sits next to me get 25%+ than me, because he joined when the company were doing good.
   
"offer多啲錢俾你stay" doesn't mean I can't look for other jobs.  Basically, if she does let me go to the developer team, my plan is to gain my knowledge/experience as much as possible to build up my resume profile before they fire me.  So I have better chance for next job.

I was actually approached by the developer team manager 1 month into the company when I get noticed by several key co-workers, but that didn't go through for unknown reason.  Maybe it's because I asked about compensation difference when they approach me or maybe because my own manager didn't want to let go.

My manager's manager is the IT Director who already noticed me long time ago and praised me in public, so it still make sense for her to rather move me into a preferred position than letting me go.  Plus, I am the ONLY guy who is supporting the IT component of a KEY business, it would take couple months for my teammate to do what I do.  They would at least want to keep me in the company to train/support whoever takes my position.

Again, I would still look for jobs.  If I get 40%+ offer, I would jump ship.  The previous 25% offer wasn't juicy enough for me due to commute distance and job security risk.

Commute cost is quite high nowadays.

rainbow-davie

Well. i m in similar situation now.  

I'm in a pretty good company with a very good team.  very happy except for money.
and there is an offer in US, which is 60% more salary. at least 10 times more share value.  Now my current Manager is going to give me an offer for a raise or something.  

so, dunno...

blue20ae

Good luck!  Just make sure you don't burn any bridges. Vancouver is a very small pond for IT.

Prelude

My manager called me to let me know the developer team manager offer me 31% for the developer position. I accepted. She then asked me why I don't sound happy. Lol. She probably pretend she really want me to stay, and fire me after the project. It doesn't matter anyways, because I can't do anything about it. And I just continue to look for job while wait for the actual reposition.

zuesel

good luck!!!!!!!!!!
i'm in similar situation... it's hard to decide

Prelude

Well, I decided to accept the offer from my existing employer.

真人

Keep this in mind, pal.

Work only for MONEY. If your boss wants loyalty, hire a dog.

I have to say good bye to the company that I worked for 15 years soon.  愛上公司,肯定無知.