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回復 229# 快樂牛郎

cable tv and landline is unnecessary, I hardly watch tv, anything i want to see i can download online, there is also over-the-air HD channel available.

landline is even more unnecessary, we all have mobile phone, thats $30 cost per month already.

I dont live on a luxury life, but thats life.

even when i pay off the house, I dont think i want to incur those unnecessary costs.

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Does this give you some hint?

Canadian July GDP declines modestly, representing the first decline in 11 months

GDP output in July dropped an expected 0.1% in the month, following gains of 0.2% and 0.1% in June and May, respectively. The weakening although modest was broadly based with both goods-producing and service-producing industries declining 0.1% in the month.

Market expectations of a 0.1% drop in July GDP were in part informed by a disappointing manufacturing sales report released earlier, which indicated declining activity in the month. This expectation was confirmed in this morning’s report with the manufacturing component dropping 0.7% although this did not fully reverse the 1.1% jump recorded in June. On the goods-producing side of the economy, declines were also recorded in construction (-0.5%) and utilities (-0.4%). One offset was provided by a 1.1% jump in the mining and oil and gas extraction component resuming strong growth that had been evident so far this year after a 0.5% drop in June.

The prospect of an overall decline in GDP was also flagged by earlier-released reports for July wholesale and retail trade. This weakness was confirmed in this morning’s report with declines of 0.2% and 0.5% in the wholesale and retail sales components, respectively. These declines were partially offset by gains in administrative services (0.5%) and information and cultural services (0.4%).

The drop in July GDP was disappointing but not unexpected given the earlier-released reports. With employment growth remaining robust during August 2010, we do not assume that this declining activity will persist. As well, various policy actions, such as the July 1 introduction of the HST, may have advanced activity into the first half of the year at the expense of activity in July. With that said, today reported drop points to some downside risk to our current third-quarter 2010 forecast of 3.0% GDP growth therein suggesting a rate closer to the second-quarter's 2.0% pace. The Bank of Canada’s July Monetary Policy Report projected third-quarter growth of 2.8%. With recent inflation numbers for August coming in slightly weaker than expected, an undershoot on growth would provide further reason for the central bank to move to the sidelines after raising the overnight rate 25 basis points at each of the last three policy meetings. Recent indications of below-potential growth in the US (the gain in the second-quarter GDP reported this morning of 1.7% and indications of third-quarter growth of only 2.0%), also, warrant a pause. Although we expect greater strength in both economies by the final quarter of 2010, until this emerges in the economic data, we expect the Bank of Canada to remain on the sidelines until March of next year.

Paul Ferley, Assistant Chief Economist, RBC Economics

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cable tv and landline is unnecessary, I hardly watch tv, anything i want to see i c ...
supersuper 發表於 2010/9/30 10:50


then don't say you cut those to SAVE for a house
you just cut those because u didn't need them

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回復 237# Look4chrisng


    Yes they are not decent property, but they are in more or less a prime location, if location matters. There are newer/better property in this price but would be further away. Again, that's our choices. Yes the property price is high, I'm not saying it's cheap. Would I buy it now? No because I don't have the need to buy. But if I'm getting married now and have to move out, then I would have to look into it. Even the stats says it's not good time to buy but so? If I'm making less than the avg Cdn I am less likely to be able to afford a place anyway. If I'm making more than the avg (or duo income) then I may be able to afford it. I prefer to look at my actual $ on hand, then set a budget to see how much I am able to pay for mortgage. Start from there and see what kind of property is available in that price range. As long as I'm living in that property not for reselling purpose, I don't really care if it drops by 10% or 20% in a year or two. In the long run (after 35 yrs) would the property still 20% lower than my original price? I guess not right?
Of course, this is just my way you don't have to agree to it.

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本帖最後由 supersuper 於 2010-9-30 13:00 編輯

google "vancouver real estate chart"  will give you lots of chart like these.


this is an article with TA...
http://vreaa.wordpress.com/2010/ ... technical-analysis/

you can cope with 10-20% drop? what about 55% drop?

If I were to buy a house now, I have to prepare for a 55% drop in price, and 10% interest rate.

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回復 245# supersuper


    I'm more optimistic don't think it's highly likely that price drop by 55%

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google "vancouver real estate chart"  will give you lots of chart like these.


this is an article w ...
supersuper 發表於 2010-9-30 12:56


Well, I understand your numbers and the risk.  But the world doesn't work according to charts.
  
Canada may just turn into a country like India. Where there is no middle class.  Only super rich and majority of the people are living in extreme poverty.

Where do college grade working in Vancouver?  Except students with professional degrees, lots of them work as customer service at Rogers or be a bank teller.  And still live with mom at 30. And still paying student loans if they hasn't defrauded them.

Please don't tell me you can eat instant noodles for the whole month.  Like the old commercial says "Eat instant noodles 5X a day"  it still costs $116.25/no.  I seriously don't know how fibbi's $200/mo grocery budget works.  But I am not going to argue that.

Stupid policy/ stupid interest rates could last longer than you. Our policy punishes savers with low interest rate, to reward people contribute to the pockets RE speculators.  If you haven't figured that out year after year, you need to get your head a shake. Got it?

If you want to have reasonable affordable housing in Vancouver, it is very simple:
Start "Really" taxing capital gains on housing for "flying house"(no those BS on Primary Residency" and taxing rental income.)  But that is more difficult than raising payroll taxes, so you ain't go to see until some social unrest are happening on the streets.

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本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2010-9-30 16:57 編輯

The world works more according to the charts, much more so than a couple people's intuition... It's just like going to the casino, the odd is against you and you know you'll lose money most of the time. You might feel 'lucky' that day, you might even come out winning money. But the odd is against you nevertheless. You can still do it, but all I can say is to wish you luck...

With the instability on the HST, economy slowing, interest rate con't to go up, plenty of inventories coming online. Down side risk is much higher than upside risk. The probability that there'll be a 55% drop from the recent peak before ever getting to 55% up from the peak is much much much higher than the other way around. If one can stomach that, then a property now is definately no problem. Short of that, just understand the risk before committing yourself in buying any real estates, or you might face unexpected hardship down the road.

It's really quite simple I don't understand why people don't understand. When buying, try to buy low. When selling, try to sell high. Is the Vancouver market considered high? or low? Don't let greed run over your head, don't let the trend deceive you that this is the exception to the norm. Mean reversion always take place, not being able to predict when it'll happen does not mean that it will not happen. It will most likely happen when you can least afford it.

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回復 248# BiscottiGelato

well said!!!

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買樓唔同買股票,我可以等話等佢跌先入貨。如果你要結婚,另一半唔想同屋企住,要搬出去,咁你嘅選擇就只係買同租,咁你會宜家買定係租住先?要租嘅話又租到幾耐先至係入市嘅時候?租一年都唔見成萬蚊啦。而且你遲啲買,又難保啲利息唔會升。當你唔係有迫切性要搬嘅,咁又唔同咁講啦。始終都係睇自己嘅需要同能力囉。

買樓未必係我強項,但係講買送,兩口子$200一個月grocery真係無問題。我以前個piano teacher係白人,佢話一家五口(3個kids)都係$200grocery我就真係覺得有啲不可思議。
Sample grocery shopping list (1 week supply):
pre-slice meat about $4/pack. (1 pack per day) $28
3 onion  $2
3-4 tomato $2
bean sprout $1
Veggie (3 pack) from T&T (half pack per day) $7
Fruit (e.g. 7 orange ~$5)
bread $3
total: $48
If you don't buy pre-slice meat but just say a tendalon and slice by myself, it would be cheaper.
That is actually enough for my hubby to pack lunch for the next day...

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