puZZle

we have the concept of causation because we reside within the limits of time

"outside of time" there can be an ultimate creator or whatever the First Cause is
that First Cause would have created Time also

notgoddy

I am not a fan of Miller-Urey so I didn't know the oxygen thing, but I really like the thermal vent thing with the RNA and stuff. that is cool in that video.
No need to apologize to a fellow expert, puZZle.

notgoddy

Yeah, the ultimate creator is in the 11th dimension, no way we could get it.

Austin

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-8-22 14:05 發表


do u think there is ultimate creator?
if so, how did the ultimate creator exist by him/her/itself?

I think there is an ultimate origin, not necessarily a creator.
And heck would I know how it becomes of its own existence.

Intelstan

I don't believe in an ultimate creator.  If anything comes close to a creator, it would be the continuous expanding and collapsing of the universe which would by chance create the set of laws of physics that are just suitable for life to exist.

puZZle

how big, do you think, is that chance?

say.. if the properties of carbon and it's compounds are changed
would life still exist?

notgoddy

We are 4 dimensional being anchored by a 3 dimensional body, and so we have a hard time letting go of the idea of time.  The ultimate Universe is timeless, and chances are 1:1.

If initial conditions are different then different kinds of life might exist.

Intelstan

Even a tiny change in the laws of physics would disrupt everything.  But with the continuous expansion and collapsing of the universe, it is just a matter of time before a random set of laws fit together and make life possible.