BiscottiGelato

原帖由 soli 於 2008-12-1 21:55 發表
這次金融海嘯﹐讓自由市場主義再次破產。為挽救經濟﹐各國政府經濟政策也向左傾斜﹐連號稱最自由經濟體﹐失業率還在4%以下的香港﹐也保證不削減政府開支﹐避免增加任何對經濟不利的因素。

偏偏有我們的保守黨﹐基於意識形態的限制 ...

who says that increasing government spending will get us out of this mess the quickest? You are purely carrying Keynesian view of economics. There are other views that calls for minimizing government intervention, which will yes, make the immediate future hard, but on the long term allow for quicker recovery. Knee jerk reaction and showing off what the government can do something by handing out candies is not what I want, I want long term outlook and resolution. I can't say whehter capital injection or reduce government's burden on the market is the correct way to get us out of this recession the quickest. In fact, nobody out there know for SURE what is the correct action and the correcdt magnitude of action to carry out. But if anything, Liberal and NDP is mainly just pissed off on the lack of public funding they get more than any of the issue with economic stimulation. I don't see how Liberal and NDP are the less of the evils when compared to the Conservatives. If anything I like how the Conservative tries to reduce political spending from public fundings. I'm sure effort in preventing a fiscal deficit will definately be better for Canada in the long term.

BiscottiGelato

soli, maybe you should see what this guy has to say (Peter Schiff) on what the 'other side' will want to say as opposed to just pumping money thru 'government stimulations'

His track record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw

Problem with bigger government, bigger economic stimulus. Specifically around the 8 minute mark on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB9fuIvksLw

I like what the Conservative is trying to do in terms of reducing government spending, at least on this round. We don't have to follow the rest of the world in pumping money, especially when we are not China which have a huge cash pile in the bank account. If anything we are more like the US, with debt in the back. If anything we should save, we should continute with fiscal surpluses.

Liberal and NDP is just crooks on this round. I'm not saying Conservative is the saviour, but definately is the lesser of the evil on this case.

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2008-12-1 23:06 編輯 ]

soli

那 BiscottiGelato 即認為現在政府應該甚麼也不用做。大企業銀行要倒就讓他們倒﹐失業率上升就讓他升﹐政府收入少了﹐就削減開支﹐帶頭裁減公務員﹐加稅。等到大家跳樓的跳樓﹐燒炭的燒炭。重複看兒子欠債砍母親﹐失業父親殺全家後自殺這些新聞三五七年後﹐經濟就會慢慢好了。這叫做適者生存﹐物競天擇對嗎?

[ 本帖最後由 soli 於 2008-12-2 00:11 編輯 ]

fm9610

I think the Liberal are crooks and the NDP is even worse. The Bloc just want to split up Canada and create their own country. The three together reminds me of the pirates in the Pirates of the Caribbean. Just wonder who represents Capt. Jack Sparrow. I think we are doomed if they start running Canada.

I support another election as it is the only viable option out of this mess.

[ 本帖最後由 fm9610 於 2008-12-2 00:48 編輯 ]

Lik

To those who think there is very little you can do, or think there is very little you can change, please bear in mind that as an individual, you probably can't do much. But collectively, our voices will be heard.

To express your concerns and disgust on this matter, I urge you to contact Prime Minister Harper, Liberal leader Dion, NDP leader Layton, and the MP of your riding. Their email addresses can be found on the following page:

http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/Member ... rent&Language=E

I would also urge you to contact Governor General, Michaelle Jean. Her contact information can be found here:

http://www.gg.ca/contactus/index_e.asp

I welcome every LYK to use my letter here as your own starting basis. Feel free to make changes as you see fit, or if you want to, you can even copy and paste the exact letter that I wrote. I only ask you to add your full name, mailing address, and telephone number at the end of your letter to identify yourself to the GG Jean and the MPs, signifying that the letter came from an independent Canadian.

If you support the Liberal-NDP coalition, I urge you to make your voice heard as well.

Exercise your right and put democracy to work. Not everyone in the world can enjoy this luxury.

-Lik

Obama

Does anyone know what true democracy is?
Stephen Harper is a goner.  He made the one big stupid move.
He went after the pocket books of his political opponents.

soli

民主國家從來都是吵得最大聲(並非人數最多)的人有糖吃﹐阿力哥果然理解箇中道理。
但這樣算不算乎合民主精神﹐就很見仁見智了~

Lik

原帖由 soli 於 2008-12-1 21:31 發表
我沒有投票給保守黨﹐大部份加拿大人亦跟我一樣。如果代表大部份加拿大人既政黨反對保守黨繼續執政﹐少數服從多數﹐將保守黨拉下來有何不可﹐而且這是憲法所允許的。

保守黨在競選時期沒有提出任何挽救經濟的措施﹐執政後也漠視其他政黨對刺激經濟的要求﹐獨斷獨行。一個少數政府﹐如果一直不能跟其他政黨合作﹐繼續執政下去﹐對加拿大又有甚麼好處呢?

Soli,

You are quite correct here. As the Opposition to the minority government, the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc have every right to vote down the Conservative minority via a vote of non-confidence. As written in my letter to the GG, I welcome them to exercise the power that Canadians have bestowed them.

However, I am protesting against the Liberal-NDP coalition government that was brokered behind closed doors between the sore-losing Liberals and the ever-opportunistic NDP. It is obvious that for 6 weeks, they have accepted their role as the opposition and recognized Harper and the Conservatives as the PM and the governing party. The dust has settled, and that's that! Had they made the coalition government proposal to GG Jean 6 hours after the Oct 14 election results were in, there might have been some degree of legitimacy to their proposal. Heck, had GG Jean offered government to this coalition at that time instead of handing it to the Conservatives, I might be inclined to accept it as well. But to cry foul now and attempt to sneak a coalition government in to replace the Conservatives shows how little they respect the rules of the Canadian democratic system.

To make matters worse, the coalition proposal wants to instate Dion as our lame duck PM for 5 months, after which the PM seat would be determined by the Liberals leadership race, as opposed to by Canadians in general. I just have to ask -- just since when did Canadians allow a selected group of people to choose our prime minister for us? As I recall, Canada is a country that practices universal suffrage.

-Lik

soli

很奇怪呢~
如果在選舉結束後﹐自由黨和新民主黨立刻申請要成立聯合政府﹐會得到魁人黨的支持嗎? 不會吧~
為甚麼現在就可以呢?
是保守黨執政後太自大和卑鄙了﹐可惡得在國會裡得不到任何其他反對黨的支持。
總合我上面所說﹐說組聯合政府合情合理兼合法。
合法者﹐乎合加拿大憲法。
合情: 保守黨欺人太甚﹐反對黨派乃狗急跳場而已~
合理者﹐經濟環境改變﹐右派政權倒台乃大勢所趨﹐而聯合政府所代表的是過半數加拿大人﹐這正正體現了少數服從多數的民主精神。

[ 本帖最後由 soli 於 2008-12-2 01:25 編輯 ]

Lik

原帖由 soli 於 2008-12-1 21:55 發表
這次金融海嘯﹐讓自由市場主義再次破產。為挽救經濟﹐各國政府經濟政策也向左傾斜﹐連號稱最自由經濟體﹐失業率還在4%以下的香港﹐也保證不削減政府開支﹐避免增加任何對經濟不利的因素。

偏偏有我們的保守黨﹐基於意識形態的限制﹐遲遲未能對現在惡劣的經濟環境作出任何適當反應﹐只懂賤賣國家資產﹐削減開支這些右派技倆(即不干預市場)﹐逆天而行。更以削減開支作為打擊政敵的籍口﹐以本傷人﹐令其跟其他政黨的合空間完全消失。

所以這次反對黨派要聯手推倒保守黨﹐絕對合情合理兼合法。很多人害怕政局不穩定﹐但兩害相權取其輕。若保守黨繼續執政﹐亦只會是一跛腳鴨政府﹐難以應付目前經濟環境。自由黨的理財能手不少﹐在經濟措施方面﹐我對自由黨帶領下的聯合政府更具信心~

Soli,

I hate to say this, but your post reveals how little understanding you have towards the Canadian economy. While the US recession will invariably drag the Canadian economy down to a certain extent, Canada is in a far better shape than the US is. The Canadian financial system remains strong, and in particular, our banking system is in a far better shape than what the US is struggling with. As a matter of fact, experts agree that among the G20, Canada is arguably in the best financial shape. Just because the US is throwing money every which way doesn't mean we have to do the same thing. More importantly, just because the US can afford to do this doesn't mean Canada can -- like it or not, the USD is the world currency, and that means the Feds has a licence to print money. The Bank of Canada, unfortunately, is not the Feds.

The "coalition" government's proposal to help the Canadian auto manufacturing sector completely misses the point as well. The Big 2.5's are shutting down plants left and right because the cars these plants make are not selling down in the US. What good does it do for Canada when this coalition government wants to keep these plants open? The Big 2.5 needs a re-structring plan coming straight from Detroit, not money from the Canadian government to keep uncompetitive plants open.

Once again, Soli, do not mislead others into thinking that the coalition government proposal is legitimate. No Canadian should challenge the Opposition's right to vote down the Conservative minority government, but the coalition government proposal is a completely separate issue. Canadians need to choose who our governing party and who are Prime Minister are, and as far as my 6-week memory can remember, Canadians as a whole has chosen the Conservatives and Stephen Harper to lead this country. We did not choose to instate a Liberal-NDP coalition government, nor were they invited to govern by the Governor General. We did not choose Mr. Dion to be our PM for 5 months, only to be replaced by a Liberal candidate that we have no say in choosing. To go along with the coalition government proposal will inflict a severely damaging wound to the Canadian democratic system.

So go ahead and vote the government down. Take us to the polls once again and let Canadians from coast to coast decide who will be our country's leader and governing party.

-Lik