Lik

they do "談政事", but what have they achieved?
way back to early 90s, can they fight for the total democracy for hk from the british?
chunsh 發表於 2009-4-2 12:53

如果你覺得華叔、李"漢奸"等人當年依足規則去議事，卻又做唔出D咩野，咁你係咪依家好應該去支持社民連嘅激進抗爭手法呢？

如果你覺得佢地有爭取到民主進步，咁你點解之前又話佢地響港英年代無鬼用呢？

自己所講嘅說話自相茅盾，仲要俾人捉到正，我會覺得好樣衰囉～

hahahaha~

-力

chunsh

如果你覺得華叔、李"漢奸"等人當年依足規則去議事，卻又做唔出D咩野，咁你係咪依家好應該去支持社民連嘅激進抗爭手法呢？

如果你覺得佢地有爭取到民主進步，咁你點解之前又話佢地響港英年代無鬼用呢？

自己所講嘅 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-4-2 17:13

hm...Mr. pro-british / mr.anti-chinese: I think all of them are just ****. both didnt do much real contribution to hk democracy when british governing hk, but keep barking and biting  ppl around after China took over, how is that

also, everyone know that u are just a pathetic man who keep attacking your and my own country, own people, but only smile on the british colonists way back to 20th century. Who look more 樣衰? haha

fishbelly

they do "談政事", but what have they achieved?
way back to early 90s, can they fight for the total democracy for hk from the british?

well, since u said u 受教, then I have to say "good boy" haha ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-4-2 13:53

I think that's the genuine difference btwn pre-97 and post 97.

第一, 97 前香港人擔心港英政權移交問題 (說白一點就是恐共癥), 基本法問題等等多於其他, 而且社會一片升平, 香港人的政治意識當然比較淡薄.

第二, 97 前香港人身份模糊, 自我認受性第, 基本上自己亦不清楚算是中國人還是英國人, 應該忠於哪個國家.  97後民族認知有改善, 所以比較想爭取更多.  民族性跟爭取民權從來不可分割, 民族性強了, 當然斗士亦比較多.

ricrick

不該啊！原來係用國語講，甘都比佢諗到，好野

chunsh

基本上自己亦不清楚算是中國人還是英國人, 應該忠於哪個國家
...
fishbelly 發表於 2009-4-2 19:45

錯!!!!

係真係要自己既社會有民主既﹐ 我理你係中國人還是英國人還是外星人啦 ﹐有記憶既﹐都記得以前
港英政府年代的民主鬥士呀﹐香港"狼"心呀都以打英國人工為傲架啦﹐ 一副"我主人係港督﹐ 大主人係英女皇﹐你班小市民要聽話。我主人既任何政策都係好既"

以前無民主﹐就無人敢鬧英國人﹐97後就靜係咬自己人. haha

Lik

also, everyone know that u are just a pathetic man who keep attacking your and my own country, own people, but only smile on the british colonists way back to 20th century. Who look more 樣衰? hahachunsh 發表於 2009-4-2 16:27

阿春仔，你對眼係盲咗定係對耳聾咗呢？回歸之後特衰政府爆咗咁多鑊屎渠，回歸前有無咁多咁荒謬嘅事發生過呀？特衰政府今日俾人小到屁股開花，係因為自己無能定係因為無人敢鬧港英政府呀？

-力

fishbelly

錯!!!!

係真係要自己既社會有民主既﹐ 我理你係中國人還是英國人還是外星人啦 ﹐有記憶既﹐都記得以前
港英政府年代的民主鬥士呀﹐香港"狼"心呀都以打英國人工為傲架啦﹐ 一副"我主人係港督﹐ 大主人係英女皇﹐你 ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-4-2 22:03

我認為唔可以如此武斷指責 "斗士" 們專咬自己人, 又係一個 "老豆有須" 同 "有須就係老豆"　０既邏輯錯誤．

如此說法已經主觀地認為任何反對派均與政府作對, 為反對而反對.  反之, 反對聲音可能只要求改革政府, 改善政府, 鞭撻政府.

問題并唔係 "敢" 與 "唔敢", 而係 "需要" 唔 "需要".  在英國政府管治下成長, 唔覺得香港人係怕英國人, 反之應該係羨慕居多, 就是有一種 "自慚形穢" 的心態.  為什麼覺得 "形穢"呢，　當然多得內地各荒謬事情，　包括政制上，　民族自律性上，　文化上等等．

因此請不要非黑即白地妖魔化提出反對聲音的人，　因為只會將辯論演變成謾罵，　毫無意義．

soli

其實我知道點解英治時期無乜人話爭取民主普選之類既。
因為港英政府以前有個部門叫政治部﹐專捉異見人士﹐又有個監獄叫摩星岭白屋﹐專囚政治犯﹐仲有條法例可以將不受歡迎人士逮解出境。

班顛狗之類既都係響肥彭上左場後先敢出黎搞搞陣(因為肥彭支持直選)﹐又龍門陣又剩。如果班泛民友早十年敢煽動人爭取普選港督?﹐第二日就人間消失囉~

英國佬響1995年解散左政治部﹐而特區政府懶大方無堅持要重組政治部﹐就種下左而家種種禍根啦~

Lik

唔同意 Soli兄嘅見解，但係算啦，今日唔係咁得閒，費事駁你喇...

-忙碌力

rainbow-davie

I think, there is no point to discuss before 97 or after 97.. the past.  We can argue like this for many many many years without conclusion, until we died.  and hundreds years later, historian will give us the answer in their time with their point of view.

The most important things are
1) 社民連激進抗爭手法 -- how 激進?  what is your definition of 激進?
2) what's wrong with HK government now? in both legistration & administration
3) What should the HK governement be better?  How can it be funtionally serving general public?  Not only for the rich or middle class, but also for root grass & minorities.

so, we need to understand the problems, the cause of problems, then the vision, blue-print & the solution.

I agree that HK lack of democracy is part of but not entire the root of all problems.  I believe the "work" attitude of the HK administration government pays a major part too.  and other many factors.

to solve this, democracy may be part of the solution but not all again.  

I believe, the government has to really really really put "people" in their heart, not their mouth to look at all problems.