fibbi

16# chunsh


If I greet people as "leng jai", "leng lui", then is that considered lying?  
OK, I can accept 善意啲謊言, but not something to hide the truth.

peter236

If we couldn't admit the mistake we made in the past...we are no different from the Japanese govt who ignore the Nanjing Massaca...
fibbi 發表於 2009-4-16 10:51

These two are separate issues. We should boycott Japanese products and demand an apology from them. These Japanese killed 30 million Chinese during the second world war.

tofu

""沒人親眼看到解放軍用坦克壓人﹐"""
there is a pic, the 坦克 on somethings like minced pork and there is an hand with lower arm hanging out.  yes i don't see the 解放軍用坦克壓人 in person, but i do see that pic.
他們放火燒車﹐丟石頭, yes they did, but the 解放軍 were using the bullets which would explore  in the body.  解放軍 not only wanted to hurt them or make them stop, they really want to kill them.  they didn't kill students only, they killed whoever on the street, even children.  there are some 解放軍 who moved to other countries after june 4th.  listen to what they said.  just like the japanese govn't said there were no 屠殺, but their solders admitted there were 屠殺.  who will you believe.   平反 is necessary. all the four decision makers were either dead or kicked out already, it is time to think about 平反.  if 54 has a chance to 平反, why not 64.  do some research, there is much more pic in the books.
"""不過, 都過左廿年了, 怨怨相報何時了丫"""
it is not revenge, it is 平反.  if someone is in the jail for 20years by mistake, we should set him free and let others know it is  a mistake.  of course we don't ask to put the police or judge in the jail.  there is a museum in germany to show all the german what did they do in 2nd world war, in order to educate the german not to make the same mistake again.  if you don't admit it is a mistake, how can you teach your followers not to make the same mistake again.
yes, there are so many things are """waste time and waste "gas"""  but why we are still doing it, because we know it is """right""".  if no one is doing anything, china is still under empire system.   the difference between human beings  is, some have improvement and some don't

soli

有人幫link了我就省時間找。 其實還有很多學生打死解放軍的片段﹐

有一段是一架軍車在路上死了火﹐被學生/民眾將裡面的士兵拉出來打死。
又有一段是學生抓了個士兵將他困在巴士裡面然後放火燒車。
但這些都是中共官方發出的﹐信不信就由你。

中共武力鎮壓是錯﹐但支聯會亦不能撒謊和無限上綱。
支聯會要求平反﹐要先向公眾為自己當年說謊而道歉﹐然後就真相要求平反。
否則一味逃避別人拿著證據的質疑﹐只會越描越黑﹐信用破產。

Ultraman

These two are separate issues. We should boycott Japanese products and demand an apology from them. These Japanese killed 30 million Chinese during the second world war.
peter236 發表於 2009-4-16 11:20

For the same token, or should even feel more shameful for being a Chinese, shouldn't you boycott all Chinese products too?

Lik

25# Ultraman
人人都見過嘅照片

peter236

For the same token, or should even feel more shameful for being a Chinese, shouldn't you boycott all Chinese products too?
Ultraman 發表於 2009-4-16 13:24

But by boycotting Chinese products, we are just hurting the Chinese workers and Hong Kong businesses in China. On the other hand, the Japanese are foreigners, so who cares if boycotting Japanese products will affect them. Besides, these Japanese are arrogant and naive about their rewritting of history books, poison gas experiments in China and their forcing of comfort ladies etc

布小熊

But by boycotting Chinese products, we are just hurting the Chinese workers and Hong Kong businesses in China. On the other hand, the Japanese are foreigners, so who cares if boycotting Japanese pro ...
peter236 發表於 2009-4-16 12:32 PM

The younger Japanese generation REALLY don't know these happened. They blocked these from their history classes.
And same for the younger Chinese/HK generations. They don't know anything about VIIV. And... just sad to see their POV now.

fibbi

24# soli


"支聯會亦不能撒謊和無限上綱"
What exactly does 支聯會 lie?

I believe army died too. But if you see the army kept shooting people, would you do your best to protect yourself and kill them in return?

Ultraman

25# Ultraman
人人都見過嘅照片
Lik 發表於 2009-4-16 12:32

Of course. So?