myversa

This shows your racism against the Chinese again. Cheap labour is not the only advantage of investing in China. If foreigners want cheap labour, they can invest in Africa or India, which are even che ...
peter236 發表於 2009-10-2 22:58

haha I do not hold any racism against China.  I only speak of the fact.  The only people who cannot improve themselves are whom did not see their own mistakes.  I do not really like you insist that China is all good.  There are a lot of people like you who cannot see what's wrong with China people these days so that's why China is one step behind other countries.  The only thing they are famous of is counterfeiting other countries' product and claimed their own.  They cannot even make their own innovating product.

You are wrong.  If China did not have cheap labor, business would not set factory in China.  China is also famous for its great population and a lot of people are wiling to work at cheaper cost comparing to other countries.

Pointing out what are China's mistake does not make I hold racism against China.  In another topic about people from China living in Vancouver, you can find there are a lot of people are so "high standard".  One example I have seen was that a mom from China letting her kid peeing in the park ground and even giving face when I saw it.  If you call that "high stand", I got nothing to say.

peter236

haha I do not hold any racism against China.  I only speak of the fact.  The only people who cannot improve themselves are whom did not see their own mistakes.  I do not really like you insist that  ...
myversa 發表於 2009-10-3 00:04

You moron, I didn't say China is all good. No country in the world is all good, but the Chinese have made big improvements, they still have a lot of work to do, just like India and many other countries.

myversa

again, when you lose an argument, you call people moron. sigh.... very high standard indeed.

I really got nothing to say to you anymore.

peter236

haha I do not hold any racism against China.  I only speak of the fact.  The only people who cannot improve themselves are whom did not see their own mistakes.  I do not really like you insist that  ...
myversa 發表於 2009-10-3 00:04

You lost the argument, again you tried to divert attention. I didn't say China is all good. Why are you making things up? No country in the world is all good, but the Chinese have made big improvements, they still have a lot of work to do, just like India and many other countries.

You are wrong, it is the Indians who are famous for having a rapidly growing population. the Indians, vietnamese and africans have even lower wages. But foreigners select to invest in China, because china has very good infrastructure, large market, and a large number of well-educated research talents. This is why China is the leader among other developing countries like India, Brazil, Russia etc. China has provided the stabilizing force in this economic crisis, when most western counties are going bankrupt.

China has a very pragmatic plan of developing their economy step by step. It is going to take many decades to develop the whole country. But China has already pulled more people out of poverty, in a shorter period of time than any other other country in history. It is the Indians who cannot see their own mistakes, as they bragged about how they can compare with China, when in fact the Indians are way behind. Most Indians do not even have reliable water supply and electricity.

Taiwan, on the other hand, is only famous for chen shui bian, who is corrupted, like most other Taiwan politicians and businesses. He even wants to sue the US government, for not saving him. No wonder Taiwan's economy has been stalling for years.

Lik

Funny how our 50 cents Peter boy is once again spewing his nonsense as usual.

And for all the improvements that you keep insisting China has achieved, may I remind you that personal freedom and human rights have only consistently deteriorated in the past 20 years? Personal privacy and freedom of the press in particular has suffered the most, although the Internet and several newspapers are putting up some good fights.

And lemme remind you once again -- human rights means so much more than the simple right to live. 畜牲 have 生存權, and they deserve animal rights as well. Humans, on the other hand, deserve so much more than just 生存權, so don't give me your usual bs.

While Ah Bien's corruption scandal is certainly known worldwide, his downfall is equally well-known. More importantly, his downfall and his verdict are the testament of democracy at work.

What happen to corrupt officials in China? They only get shot down for their corruption as a result of losing in power struggles. Is Jia Bao's jewelry-loving wife not suspicious for her wealth? Is 胡海峰 (Old Hu's son) not suspicious in his company's international corruption scandal?

-Lik

myversa

You mxrxn, there is no corrupt official in China.  China is the most technological country in the whole world.  Without Chinese government the end of world will be coming because the economy will crumble.  China has the most human rights because they install software on our computer to protect us from bad things.  They think for us so we do not worry about thinking.

btw, how to argue with someone who is so brainwashed?

People have to know what their shortcomings are instead of thinking "we are doing the right thing so we do not have to change.." and try to overcome and improve.

Even Peter did not say China is all good but he failed to see the bad side of it; Making excuse of it and never wanting to face it.

B2L2

This thread started off saying that racist is wrong.  And some commented that Chinese generally is being more racist than other, which obviously is worse by our standard.  The question being asked was "what made those Chinese think that they are better than other people, so that they think looking down other race is okay?".

Peter, being so nice, listed so many points saying that China isn't the best yet (improving which nobody object).  He also listed how worse India, Africa and Taiwan compare to China.  So all in all from Peter, (1) China is improving, (2) Chinese should be proud of their improvement so far, (3) deconstructive comments to Chinese is not welcome, (4)..

But which Peter's point is relevant to answer the orig question?  Honestly, you're on the downhill battle since no Chinese should be racist, no matter how good they are and how proud they are.  Stating few facts here and there doesn't make your argument sounds especially they are off topic.

Anyway, now the topic being so side tracked and bent to said that the few of us here are racist against the Chinese.  I don't see where we are racist against Chinese (your racism's definition looks diff than the real meaning).  I don't hate Chinese since we are Chinese.  We are just taking about individual Chinese "here" or in HongKong who acted not on par to the standard we currently live in.

Am I totally not racist?  Definitely not and I do realize that.  However, I am trying to improve on that everyday.  What made positive criticize bad in any form?

zuesel

Mr Peter here demonstrated a prime example. He doesn't walk the talk at all. First off, he calls people names and gets offensive by personal attacks. Then, he addresses our views by bringing in technology yet, ignores other things we mentioned such as lots of racist comments and name callings that Chinese in general give to other skin colors. Hmmmm...name calling...wait a minute, that sounds familiar...now, who does it?

Seriously, if your attitude was civil and showed some respect, we might just have a positive change of view. But the way you talk has nothing more then negative impact!
This post isn't about which country is stronger, has better technology. We are talking about people's attitude here! You just set a great example!

Being rude and try to be convincing doesn't convince anyone anything! If you want to win an argument, you have to reasonable, respectful of others opinions and give realistic examples. By then, you still may not win but WHY the hell would you want others to think like you anyway?

peter236

As we take a look at other cultures around the world, the people in general are proud of their culture and native country, whether their country is rich or poor, and in good times and bad times. Those people who are proud of their culture and native country only when their country is "as good as the west" are just opportunists. So it kind of odd to see some people here who think like that.

Look, most countries are not "as good as western countries". Does that mean most people have to be ashamed of their culture?
As in the case of China, it is making rapid improvements. No one is saying all is good or that there are no problems. The Chinese government itself has acknowledged there are still many problems that need to be addressed. For those LYKs who think I am not aware of these problems in China, I have to say that is just a baseless claim. I just pointed out that these problems are not unique to China at all. But some prejudiced people just like to pick on the Chinese as if only has these issues.

peter236

but why would you want others to think like you anyway

why? you should ask people like Lik, why he always want to win an argument? Anyone who participates in a discussion always thinks he/she is right. But you should be more reasonable here. You make your points because you think you are right. You talk like I am forcing you to believe in something. No, I just present some arguments. You can agree or disagree.